Vaping as bad for your heart as smoking!!!

[longers]

meh, if you saw how much healthier my mates are since they started vaping you'd be a bit suspicious of these claims.

 

[The Cowboy]

meh, if you saw how much healthier my mates are since they started vaping you'd be a bit suspicious of these claims.

Maybe the negative effects are a) long term, and b) not externally evident?

 

[longers]

Maybe the negative effects are a) long term, and b) not externally evident?

maybe but they are without question healthier now than they were before

everyday there is a report saying they found something new that kills you, crisps, bottled water etc

sod it i say, i eat want i want, smoke what i want and if i die then whatever, too many enjoyable things in life are bad for you.

 

[Ashtonian]

Nowt wrong with defending it - the missus uses e-cigarettes (far more acceptable than people smoking those miniature exhaust pipes imo) and I'd certainly back her in an argument vs regular cigs.

But you seem so defensive when negative health affects are suggested. Apple fanboi levels of defensiveness. I don't get it. It's ok to say 'well yeah, there is that, I suppose'.

I am defensive because chances are the stick using the beat the thing is joke articles. i mean this one at the beginning of the thread, has zero evidence of anything, which is the norm of them usually. They are all assumptions and guess work with nothing to back them up, propaganda for the ignorant on the subject so to speak. so many people make their minds up over reading jarg stuff like this that is published when they may as well pick up the national enquirer at the same time and read about all those alien abductions taking place each day.

If nothing else i am just trying to offer opposition to anything like this. If the articles that were stuck on here had research or proof that related to the point then i wouldn't be so defensive about it. But like popcorn lung, most of it is fabricated for the use of simply making it sound terrible.

 

[The Cowboy]

maybe but they are without question healthier now than they were before

everyday there is a report saying they found something new that kills you, crisps, bottled water etc

sod it i say, i eat want i want, smoke what i want and if i die then whatever, too many enjoyable things in life are bad for you.

Oh yeah, same here, believe me. If I want to eat a pie that has 70% of my daily saturates, I will.

But it's this staunch defence of something in its infancy that may very well show some serious health issues that I don't get. If there's a suggestion that there's a problem with vaping, why put up a wall any claim it's a conspiracy? There's nothing wrong with accepting faults with things.

 

[longers]

Oh yeah, same here, believe me. If I want to eat a pie that has 70% of my daily saturates, I will.

But it's this staunch defence of something in its infancy that may very well show some serious health issues that I don't get. If there's a suggestion that there's a problem with vaping, why put up a wall any claim it's a conspiracy? There's nothing wrong with accepting faults with things.

Part of the reason might be because they don't want the same thing to happen to vaping what happened to smoking, it getting banned everywhere.

 

[The Cowboy]

Part of the reason might be because they don't want the same thing to happen to vaping what happened to smoking, it getting banned everywhere.

I find having candy floss fumes blown in my face far more annoying than smoke. Ban away, I say.

 

[Moomin]

The whole defence of " It's safer than smoking " falls down when you have teenagers vaping without being a smoker first.

We have adverts at football grounds, on TV and billboards around schools. But, you have to be 18 to buy liquids etc. I'm pretty sure the likes @Ashtonian don't ask for ID when he peddles his liquid.

So, do we tell the parents of these kids getting addicted to Vaping " Don't worry, no long term issues for these kids in 30 years!! It's been approved by the world's top cardiologist @Ashtonian "

 

[Ashtonian]

The whole defence of " It's safer than smoking " falls down when you have teenagers vaping without being a smoker first.

We have adverts at football grounds, on TV and billboards around schools. But, you have to be 18 to buy liquids etc. I'm pretty sure the likes @Ashtonian don't ask for ID when he peddles his liquid.

So, do we tell the parents of these kids getting addicted to Vaping " Don't worry, no long term issues for these kids in 30 years!! It's been approved by the world's top cardiologist @Ashtonian "

Pure hearsay, studies actually proven very few people start vaping before smoking first.

And the alternative is they smoke? they either smoke or vape? considering the 'known' elements of smoking, anything is better than that if they are to take up a nicotine addiction.

Saying that, for the record i don't support teenagers vaping in the slightest. I wouldn't let my kids take it up.

 

[Moomin]

Pure hearsay, studies actually proven very few people start vaping before smoking first.

And the alternative is they smoke? they either smoke or vape? considering the 'known' elements of smoking, anything is better than that if they are to take up a nicotine addiction.

Saying that, for the record i don't support teenagers vaping in the slightest. I wouldn't let my kids take it up.

What studies prove people don't start vaping before smoking, come on back it up? What research was done? As you were quick to bring it up about a study done in front of the world's top cardiologists across the world.

But, but it's safer than smoking is not a defence if the person has never smoked though!! Advertising and targeting a new generation to take up Vaping is wrong, and these companies want to get them hooked. Being a smoker or non smoker doesn't matter to them.

So it's safe, but you wouldn't let your kids vape.

 

[neil999]

What studies prove people don't start vaping before smoking, come on back it up? What research was done? As you were quick to bring it up about a study done in front of the world's top cardiologists across the world.

But, but it's safer than smoking is not a defence if the person has never smoked though!! Advertising and targeting a new generation to take up Vaping is wrong, and these companies want to get them hooked. Being a smoker or non smoker doesn't matter to them.

So it's safe, but you wouldn't let your kids vape.

ive got my 5 month old on formula flavour, she loves it!

 

[Tubey]

What studies prove people don't start vaping before smoking, come on back it up? What research was done? As you were quick to bring it up about a study done in front of the world's top cardiologists across the world.

But, but it's safer than smoking is not a defence if the person has never smoked though!! Advertising and targeting a new generation to take up Vaping is wrong, and these companies want to get them hooked. Being a smoker or non smoker doesn't matter to them.

So it's safe, but you wouldn't let your kids vape.

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2015/08Augus...nt-less-harmful-than-smoking-says-report.aspx

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...armful-than-tobacco-estimates-landmark-review

• There has been a rise in e-cigarette use that has been matched by a corresponding decrease in smoking.

• There is no evidence so far that e-cigarettes are acting as a route into smoking for children or non-smokers.

 

[Ashtonian]

What studies prove people don't start vaping before smoking, come on back it up? What research was done? As you were quick to bring it up about a study done in front of the world's top cardiologists across the world.

But, but it's safer than smoking is not a defence if the person has never smoked though!! Advertising and targeting a new generation to take up Vaping is wrong, and these companies want to get them hooked. Being a smoker or non smoker doesn't matter to them.

So it's safe, but you wouldn't let your kids vape.

First, no evidence suggests that young people are starting to use ecigs in anything more than negligible numbers, although studies have shown that a proportion of young already-smokers do abandon cigarettes for the less-harmful alternative.

https://www.guidelinesinpractice.co.uk/from-smoking-to-vaping-to-quitting-a-nurses-guide

My terrible googling skills hasn't let me come across the many studies there has been, But there is a half decent website for nurses in particular.

Or this which says (considering government webiste sourced)

Youth: Regular EC use among youth is rare with around 2% using at least monthly and 0.5% weekly. EC use among young people remains lower than among adults: a minority of British youth report having tried EC (~13%). Whilst there was some experimentation with EC among never smoking youth, prevalence of use (at least monthly) among never smokers is 0.3% or less

BOOM, there is evidence mate.

 

[The Cowboy]

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2015/08Augus...nt-less-harmful-than-smoking-says-report.aspx

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...armful-than-tobacco-estimates-landmark-review

Anecdotally, my close friend now vapors regularly having only ever had the odd cig on a night out. I also see many schoolkids at the train station vaping as its much easier to obtain them over the net. Doubtful any of them have actually smoked a cigarette.

 

[Ashtonian]

Anecdotally, my close friend now vapors regularly having only ever had the odd cig on a night out. I also see many schoolkids at the train station vaping as its much easier to obtain them over the net. Doubtful any of them have actually smoked a cigarette.

Genuine question, Would you prefer those school kids to smoke cigarettes then?