Vaping as bad for your heart as smoking!!!

[Tubey]

Erm, that's talking about people vaping to get into smoking.

Of course people are not going to vape and then start smoking after it which is all that report shows.

So, they are not advertising for a new generation to take up vaping. They don't want to maximise their returns but are doing solely for people to stop smoking.

Be real, they want profits and they don't care how they get them. Just like the tobacco companies but under the umbrella we are safer than them.

That's not what they're saying, and you know it.

Question:

What studies prove people don't start vaping before smoking, come on back it up?

Answer:

There has been a rise in e-cigarette use that has been matched by a corresponding decrease in smoking.

There is no evidence so far that e-cigarettes are acting as a route into smoking for children or non-smokers.

 

[degsy]

curses on both the vapers and the smokers

#ex smoker/zealot.

 

[Moomin]

That's not what they're saying, and you know it.

Do you agree with me that the Vaping companies are targeting the youth market?

 

[Ashtonian]

Agai


I can see it with my own eyes, kids doing it. Adverts for vaping on TV, at football grounds, on the internet etc etc.

They are doing what the tobacco companies done years ago and targeting the youth. All you have to do is go in Google and see. Plenty of evidence from the US government showing this is the case and they are targeting that age bracket.

go on then. If the evidence is a google away, then present it

 

[Tubey]

Do you agree with me that the Vaping companies are targeting the youth market?

Nope, I think they are targeting the smokers market, which is why there's a corresponding drop in smokers to the rise in vaping. Any youth starting to vape are basically replacing the cigarettes they would have otherwise have smoked.

 

[Moomin]

go on then. If the evidence is a google away, then present it

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/kids-health/e-cigarette-ads-target-millions-kids-cdc-says-n490601

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1936190-youth-targeted-e-cigarette-ads-are-working/

http://www.stanforddaily.com/2015/1...ttes-target-teens-may-not-help-with-quitting/

 

[Tubey]

go on then. If the evidence is a google away, then present it

It'll be things like this:

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/kids-health/e-cigarette-ads-target-millions-kids-cdc-says-n490601

Problem is, you can't cover kids eyes completely to advertising. It's impossible.

They sum it up in one sentence in that article: "As advertising skyrockets, so do the number of teens seeing it."

Well, obviously. That doesn't mean it is marketed to kids; it just means they have eyes.

 

[Ashtonian]

It's very clear who the vaping companies are targeting with candy and sweet flavoured liquids.

But, it's safer than smoking. You just need to look with your eyes and you can see kids in school uniforms vaping.

Sweet flavours for kids? yeah, because adults love the taste of ash, burning tobacco and burning paper......

I also see kids in school uniform smoking, or getting stoned, or robbing from shops, or beating people up etc

What is your point on that? Does that mean Youths are all yobs who are thieves and drug addicts as well?

Why don't you advocate for kids to carry knives as its safer than having a gun while you are at it.

Again a swing and a miss with compaison mate.

Because the difference between knives and guns for a child would be the knives has real intent to it, hard to accidentally stab someone, but very easy to accidentally shoot someone. So if said child was going to attack someone anyway, then the knife would be better than the gun.

But then the advocacy which i fully back is you don't want the child to have either. Which is true in relation to smoking, kids shouldn't vape and certainly just because a minority do, the whole industry should not be held accountable for that.

 

[Tubey]

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/kids-health/e-cigarette-ads-target-millions-kids-cdc-says-n490601

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1936190-youth-targeted-e-cigarette-ads-are-working/

http://www.stanforddaily.com/2015/1...ttes-target-teens-may-not-help-with-quitting/

Yes, but take this for instance.

During 2011 to 2014, current e-cigarette use among high school students soared from 1.5 percent to 13.4 percent, and among middle school students from 0.6 percent to 3.9 percent.

The thing is, the drop is cigarette use is about the same, so it correlates. It's not just the marketing that's doing it, it's just that vaping is the acceptable alternative to smoking, so kids are doing that instead of smoking.

http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/adult_data/cig_smoking/

Current smoking has declined from nearly 21 of every 100 adults (20.9%) in 2005 to nearly 17 of every 100 adults (16.8%) in 2014.

 

[Moomin]

Nope, I think they are targeting the smokers market, which is why there's a corresponding drop in smokers to the rise in vaping. Any youth starting to vape are basically replacing the cigarettes they would have otherwise have smoked.

What about the people who go cold turkey and just stop, don't vape or do patches. I think you will still see a rise in vaping soon when the level of people smoking slows down.

The funny thing is, I would not be surprised if the tobacco companies are involved with the vaping companies in some way. Carrying on with peddling addiction to the youth of today

 

[Tubey]

What about the people who go cold turkey and just stop, don't vape or do patches. I think you will still see a rise in vaping soon when the level of people smoking slows down.

The funny thing is, I would not be surprised if the tobacco companies are involved with the vaping companies in some way. Carrying on with peddling addiction to the youth of today

I don't think you understand what correlation is. I'm not being funny there either, but it's been said time and time again now - the decrease in smokers is largely matched by the increase in vaping, meaning that the vast, vast majority of people who vape are ex-smokers.

Yes, you obviously will still get people who skip smoking and just vape, but that again is just another person who would have likely otherwise smoked.

 

[Ashtonian]

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/kids-health/e-cigarette-ads-target-millions-kids-cdc-says-n490601

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1936190-youth-targeted-e-cigarette-ads-are-working/

http://www.stanforddaily.com/2015/1...ttes-target-teens-may-not-help-with-quitting/

Ok, the standford daily article has lovely pieces like

Jackler, whose research has charted the behavior of the tobacco industry, believes e-cig companies are manipulating consumers into using their products and taking measures to prevent them from quitting.

FYI the majority of the Vaping market is sourced from China and Home made business so there is next to no advertising for the industry apart from the store bought starter kits. So the vast majority of vapers use unadvertised products.But moving on,

Jackler points to many factors contributing to the wide use of e-cigs, including accessibility and rise in youth consumption. For instance, people can “vape” in places that they usually can’t smoke — like the workplace or other smoke-free environments.

“It is concerning that among middle and high school students, e-cigarette use tripled last year,” Jackler said. “Teens get hooked on the latest trends because they want to experiment. That’s how companies advertise it — as high-tech and modern. They also increase the appeal with all of these these flavors of e-cigarettes — for example, chocolate, gummy bears — made available.”

Ok so the bold bit there, not true, considering vaping is banned along side smoking in public areas. So wrong there.

The rest of it, could be attributed to anything, teens looking for the latest trends.. so can swap vaping out for anything else and teens would do it? Hardly the works of the devil then eh?

Why can’t we create e-cigarettes without nicotine — a less addictive one, for teens and a separate product for adults that were tobacco smokers? The answer lies in the industry’s need for replacement smokers,” Jackler said. “Smokers die young, and this industry needs customers.”

Ok
1. Yes you can have e cigs without nicotine in
2. Also @Moomin your source is advocating creating a product for teens here, sure you stand by your words?



I can go through the others if you like mate? Pick out articles and show you how full of crap they are?

 

[The Cowboy]

Sweet flavours for kids? yeah, because adults love the taste of ash, burning tobacco and burning paper......

I also see kids in school uniform smoking, or getting stoned, or robbing from shops, or beating people up etc

What is your point on that? Does that mean Youths are all yobs who are thieves and drug addicts as well?



Again a swing and a miss with compaison mate.

Because the difference between knives and guns for a child would be the knives has real intent to it, hard to accidentally stab someone, but very easy to accidentally shoot someone. So if said child was going to attack someone anyway, then the knife would be better than the gun.

But then the advocacy which i fully back is you don't want the child to have either. Which is true in relation to smoking, kids shouldn't vape and certainly just because a minority do, the whole industry should not be held accountable for that.

Do you not remember the furore over alcopops? Kids have always been drinking underage, but drinks like Hooch and Two Dogs saw that spike drastically.

Exactly the same thing with vaping.

 

[Ashtonian]

Do you not remember the furore over alcopops? Kids have always been drinking underage, but drinks like Hooch and Two Dogs saw that spike drastically.

Exactly the same thing with vaping.

It is wild speculation. just because it is a sweet flavour, that it has to be aimed at kids? Are adults not allowed to have iron bru alcohol? Bubblegum flavour vape?

It is the 'think of the children' routine. If it was all 'adult flavours' would anyone care what they tasted like?

 

[Moomin]

I don't think you understand what correlation is. I'm not being funny there either, but it's been said time and time again now - the decrease in smokers is largely matched by the increase in vaping, meaning that the vast, vast majority of people who vape are ex-smokers.

Yes, you obviously will still get people who skip smoking and just vape, but that again is just another person who would have likely otherwise smoked.

Smoking as a whole has been decreasing before Vaping was a thing though, no doubt it's helped for certain people to quit no denying that. The ban on advertising, sponsorship of sporting events and people aware of the long term dangers of smoking, plus the taxation on tobacco are slowly killing the industry.

Business is business, targeting the youth and getting them as a customer for life will be the target for the vaping companies, the same as the tobacco companies done years ago. To think they are doing it out of the goodness of their heart is naive to say the least.