Vaping as bad for your heart as smoking!!!

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Well I feel a damn sight better from a month ago when I gave up smoking and took up vaping. Chest clearer, beathing better and psychologically feel better to have finally given up cigs and the guilt they bring. Don't want to vape forever but stops me from smoking so its good fo me. Recently had a full medical blood tests the lot and thankfully came through really healthy ( apart from slightly high cholestoral which I am putting down to shed loads of cheese the day before the blood tests! ) Know vaping not pefect but damn sight better than smoking

No idea how old you are, or how long you had been smoking.

But. If you are 30 plus, and been a smoker for say 15 years plus, stock up on paracetamol, anti biotics, and lemsip.

Because you will get every single little bug and germ in about a week for about 5 months. Nicotene acts as a immune system, which means your natural ones have been like idle teenagers for years. Once the nicotene has drained from your system, about now, your natural immune system will not have a clue what to so. You wont die, but just get colds, tummy upsets, tooth aches, etc, time after time until yours get fit again.

They dont tell you that.
 

Haha haha hahaha hahaha

Oh dear.

First of all nothing in that article has any proof or studies. Just complete guess work and assumptions it must be bad because they don't know the long term effects.

Second the hardening of arteries ? Hahaha yes it may do thst, so does lack of exercise, high cholesterol , being fat and alcohol. In fact there is plenty of things that cause that.


More jarg info and desperate attempts to de bunk vaping. Or paid for propaganda that only the gullible believe.
Just face it. You're gonna die young because of it....
 
And you know it's fine because....?
The majority of health improvements from former smokers to vapers.

See all this talk of 'oh, the future, no one knows long term side effects' that keep getting people riled up. It kinda discounts all the people who's health improves by switching.

In fact short term benefits.are absolutely massive, does that not count for something? Or is the fear of the unknown really that primitive?
 
Them vapour things should be treated the same as cigs.I don't what to be breathing that [Poor language removed] in either.

You do know that stuff is as safe as fresh air right? In fact standing near a road with cars going past is a hell of a lot more dangerous to be breathing than next to someone vaping?

I get that people don't want the vapour blown at them, I always avoid doing it around people.
 

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The majority of health improvements from former smokers to vapers.

See all this talk of 'oh, the future, no one knows long term side effects' that keep getting people riled up. It kinda discounts all the people who's health improves by switching.

In fact short term benefits.are absolutely massive, does that not count for something? Or is the fear of the unknown really that primitive?

That's it fella, why don't you tell people to crash at 30 mph instead of 50 mph. It's much safer apparently but I've not seen research though, can someone show me??
 
You do know that stuff is as safe as fresh air right? In fact standing near a road with cars going past is a hell of a lot more dangerous to be breathing than next to someone vaping?

I get that people don't want the vapour blown at them, I always avoid doing it around people.
Ash I like you, I think you're harmlessly mental but are you seriously claiming vape juices are as safe as air?
 
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That's it fella, why don't you tell people to crash at 30 mph instead of 50 mph. It's much safer apparently but I've not seen research though, can someone show me??

Nothing the same? Unless you say crashing at 30 will injure you and crashing at 50 would kill you then yes.

Smoking kills, vaping probably doesn't.

Ash I like you, I think you're harmlessly mental but are you seriously claiming vape juices are as safe as air?

Second hand vape is. Studies proven that it is as harmful as fresh air for others.

Inhaling it first hand no, Inhaling anything isn't the best thing in the world so anyone vaping isn't breathing fresh air. Just to make that point clear lol
 
The majority of health improvements from former smokers to vapers.

See all this talk of 'oh, the future, no one knows long term side effects' that keep getting people riled up. It kinda discounts all the people who's health improves by switching.

In fact short term benefits.are absolutely massive, does that not count for something? Or is the fear of the unknown really that primitive?
You seem to be confusing 'overall, vaping is a healthier option than smoking cigarettes' with 'there are absolutely no negative health effects, known or currently unknown, related to vaping'. You seem adamant to defend it to the death, without acknowledging that maybe, just maybe, there are serious medical issues to be discovered in the coming years.

A final word - thalidomide. Classic example right there.
 
Is it me or is vaping a weird thing to defend so passionately?

If some people think there might be harmful side efffects, so what?

I personally could not give two hoots either way but find it strange that it can be defended so aggressively when logically a shrug of the shoulders is the best answer.
 

Is it me or is vaping a weird thing to defend so passionately?

If some people think there might be harmful side efffects, so what?

I personally could not give two hoots either way but find it strange that it can be defended so aggressively when logically a shrug of the shoulders is the best answer.
I don't think it's the criticism of vaping that stokes the fire so much as the ignorance on the subject of those doing the criticising - that's what @Ashtonian is attacking.
 
No idea how old you are, or how long you had been smoking.

But. If you are 30 plus, and been a smoker for say 15 years plus, stock up on paracetamol, anti biotics, and lemsip.

Because you will get every single little bug and germ in about a week for about 5 months. Nicotene acts as a immune system, which means your natural ones have been like idle teenagers for years. Once the nicotene has drained from your system, about now, your natural immune system will not have a clue what to so. You wont die, but just get colds, tummy upsets, tooth aches, etc, time after time until yours get fit again.

They dont tell you that.

they never tell you these sorts of things
i'm never ready for the sugar cravings and insomnia I get when I stop drinking
 
Is it me or is vaping a weird thing to defend so passionately?

If some people think there might be harmful side efffects, so what?

I personally could not give two hoots either way but find it strange that it can be defended so aggressively when logically a shrug of the shoulders is the best answer.

nah if you look at what's happening with trying to criminalise it then fair enough for being defensive
give the government an inch and they'll take a feckin marathon
 
You seem to be confusing 'overall, vaping is a healthier option than smoking cigarettes' with 'there are absolutely no negative health effects, known or currently unknown, related to vaping'. You seem adamant to defend it to the death, without acknowledging that maybe, just maybe, there are serious medical issues to be discovered in the coming years.

A final word - thalidomide. Classic example right there.

Is it me or is vaping a weird thing to defend so passionately?

If some people think there might be harmful side efffects, so what?

I personally could not give two hoots either way but find it strange that it can be defended so aggressively when logically a shrug of the shoulders is the best answer.

I don't think it's the criticism of vaping that stokes the fire so much as the ignorance on the subject of those doing the criticising - that's what @Ashtonian is attacking.

Exactly that. The problem i see with vaping and public perception to it is not through the what if but the percepton that it must be bad. The move to almost ban the whole thing is not based on any research, but fear of it. This then fuels the belief that it is such a terrible thing and creates a bad public image of it.

Except that is not the case at all. What you read in the tabloids is all propaganda paid for by tobacco industry to run the name through the dirt. Pretty much 90% of any story is assumpions/fear mongering/ bad publicity to stop people takingit up, all fueled by one main aim, to keep people smoking. Even look at the stories of exploding e cigs, very rarely do any of them contain an ecig at all. Most of them are people carrying batteries in their pockets with their money/keys yet the media portray any e cig as a bomb waiting to go off.

I am the first person to admit vaping isn't perfect. Vault me and you will see i have admitted to this in the past, and even when someone posted on here about quitting, i didn't suggest taking it up. Because there is an element of unknown about it, i agree.

But as i will always maintain on the matter, The known effects of smoking include COPD, Enthezema, Cancer, Lung diease, and many other horrible things. Considering most people's overall health improves after switching, i am happy taking my chances with vaping because even if there is a long term side effect, how much worse can it be than cancer? and if it ends up causing cancer 20 years down the line then a) i will have given up long before that point and b) at least i have saved money compared to smoking in the mean time even if the end result is the same

@The Cowboy just a quick reply to your post also. You mention that drug but drugs as a rule have side effects blatent anyway, and that was from a time when drugs were not tested like they are today. Vaping is tested and in fact tested far more harshly than anything else because they want it to be bad, they want to find something to take it off the market so it isn't a similar situation in that regard.

There is health effects to Vaping for the minoirty yes. Even i have a slight Propalayne Glycerol allergy so cannot vape that in high amounts anymore. these things exist. But then at the same time my health and overall fitness has improved since making the switch. Now i can run perfectly fine, whereas smoking i couldnt go out in winter without having a coughing fit at the temp change. No coughing, less illness, my lungs have improved much more than if i was still smoking.

If someone doesn't defend it to the death, then what is the point in standing up for anything? Either vaping is a long term medical goldmine with whatever side effects there are, or it is a genuinely great thing that can save millions of lives each year. I prefer to stand up for vaping because if there is even the smallest chance it is a life saver, is that not worth defending?
 
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Exactly that. The problem i see with vaping and public perception to it is not through the what if but the percepton that it must be bad. The move to almost ban the whole thing is not based on any research, but fear of it. This then fuels the belief that it is such a terrible thing and creates a bad public image of it.

Except that is not the case at all. What you read in the tabloids is all propaganda paid for by tobacco industry to run the name through the dirt. Pretty much 90% of any story is assumpions/fear mongering/ bad publicity to stop people takingit up, all fueled by one main aim, to keep people smoking. Even look at the stories of exploding e cigs, very rarely do any of them contain an ecig at all. Most of them are people carrying batteries in their pockets with their money/keys yet the media portray any e cig as a bomb waiting to go off.

I am the first person to admit vaping isn't perfect. Vault me and you will see i have admitted to this in the past, and even when someone posted on here about quitting, i didn't suggest taking it up. Because there is an element of unknown about it, i agree.

But as i will always maintain on the matter, The known effects of smoking include COPD, Enthezema, Cancer, Lung diease, and many other horrible things. Considering most people's overall health improves after switching, i am happy taking my chances with vaping because even if there is a long term side effect, how much worse can it be than cancer? and if it ends up causing cancer 20 years down the line then a) i will have given up long before that point and b) at least i have saved money compared to smoking in the mean time even if the end result is the same

@The Cowboy just a quick reply to your post also. You mention that drug but drugs as a rule have side effects blatent anyway, and that was from a time when drugs were not tested like they are today. Vaping is tested and in fact tested far more harshly than anything else because they want it to be bad, they want to find something to take it off the market so it isn't a similar situation in that regard.

There is health effects to Vaping for the minoirty yes. Even i have a slight Propalayne Glycerol allergy so cannot vape that in high amounts anymore. these things exist. But then at the same time my health and overall fitness has improved since making the switch. Now i can run perfectly fine, whereas smoking i couldnt go out in winter without having a coughing fit at the temp change. No coughing, less illness, my lungs have improved much more than if i was still smoking.

If someone doesn't defend it to the death, then what is the point in standing up for anything? Either vaping is a long term medical goldmine with whatever side effects there are, or it is a genuinely great thing that can save millions of lives each year. I prefer to stand up for vaping because if there is even the smallest chance it is a life saver, is that not worth defending?
Nowt wrong with defending it - the missus uses e-cigarettes (far more acceptable than people smoking those miniature exhaust pipes imo) and I'd certainly back her in an argument vs regular cigs.

But you seem so defensive when negative health affects are suggested. Apple fanboi levels of defensiveness. I don't get it. It's ok to say 'well yeah, there is that, I suppose'.
 

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