VAR

[Wat Tyler]

 

[JimmyK]

The problem with VAR is the people using it.

VAR needs to be clear and instructed how decisions are made. Rugby, NFL, Tennis and Cricket nail this but the biggest game in the world in the biggest league of the game has totally fooked it.

Ask yourself why?

Refs want this gone I am convinced of it because they lose control of how they want to ref the game.

They have purposely controlled the audio and bent the rules of the game to make decisions to suit them.

How many times do you see a "check" made and within seconds it's over and you have no idea who, what or why it has been made or reviewed.

Why is one foul, a foul but in another game not a foul? Why can a video ref see a red but not reviewed a second yellow card which is a red?

We should be employing the best refs in the world to run VAR and if they get it wrong, get rid like any other job but it's all in house and mates looking after mates.

How many times have we had an apology but still never get the decisions next week or later? It costs roughly £2.2m a position so how much have we lost due to these clowns?

Nothing happens to them but we get screwed all season. Why hasn't Howard Webb been sacked? Why hasn't a ref been binned? Because they look after their own. You don't think another ref will come in and do their job? No consequences so nothing changes.

Time we called this out

I think its a bit more complex than this the problem is that most of the decisions that cause an issue (like last night) are down to the referee having to make a judgement and that isn't the case in some other sports. In tennis it's just is the ball in or out in cricket where did it pitch did he hit it was it hitting the stumps thats it. In football most things are subjective so theres much more room for error thats why VAR just doesn't work well in it.

 

[Tipp blue]

For all those saying cancel VAR, this is what officiating for the big clubs looks like without it. You’ll never see an offside given against Salah or Fernandes ever again without VAR. The technology is no problem, it’s the corrupt refs using it to fix games which is the issue.

John Terry diving to save a goal with his hands going ignored

Steven Gerrard getting parties for ‘intent to foul’ even when no contact

United having goals disallowed against them when the ball is 3 yards over the line

City scoring against us from a ball about 5 yards out of play

This is the world without VAR and Pigmol would be desperate to go back to it, desperate.

At least there was an excuse.. the officials got one view at full speed sometimes with obstructed views there was also an argument for incompetence.. they now get multiple views multiple angles the ability to pause and use slow motion, there is simply no excuse for the amount of mistakes that are being made these days without alternate motives, it's beyond incompetent.

 

[NathDogg]

Warnock is bang on here.

Pawson and Kavanagh shouldn’t be near any Everton games in any capacity again.

 

[Nealroy]

There was a lot of support for video referees before it was introduced but having actually had it in practice I think everyone now realises it's causing more issues than it solves. There's a whole swathe of unexpected/unintended consequences.

For starters we know now that most of the rules around fouls in football are totally subjective and for the most part it's impossible to change that. So we know we'll never get consistency from on pitch or var refs, therefore Var is adding no value to these decisions and should not be involved. Its actually much easier for an on pitch ref to determine things like 'force' or 'deliberate' than a video ref who is robbed of all senses except sight.

There's also unintended consequences like making the on pitch ref second guess if var are going to make a mug of him all the time, undermining on pitch ref authority, encouraging refs to bottle on pitch decisions to let var look at it. How do we know there aren't refs who hate each other re-refereeing each others decisions out of spite?!

As far as I'm concerned goal line tech can stay and if they really must they can check goals for offside and (supposedly) cut and dry things like a ball out of play. They can check refs haven't shown the wrong person a card. Everything else just hand back solely to the on pitch ref and the game is much better for it even with all the flaws and inconsistency that will still remain.

 

[JLW]

I think fans have short memories to an extent - I remember referee errors happening all the time before VAR and many were calling for technology to come in on that basis.

Its not the tech its how the officials are using it and how the laws are interpretated.

That’s the problem and always will be you can have a million videos of an incident it’s exactly how they want the decision to go!

Football isn’t like tennis or cricket where decisions are black and white, so their system works and is fool proof. I think DCL last night wasn’t even a foul some think it was a foul or a yellow card and obviously some cretin thinks it’s a red!

We don’t need it in the game

 

[blulouie]

We just need Richard from Fujitsu to break into the VAR files and blow these corrupt F****** up !!

They get away with it because

We are Skint Little People.

 

[NathDogg]

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The great and the good are furious on our behalf.

Genuinely can’t stand this overgrown haemorrhoid but even he isn’t happy with what’s going on.

 

[sbbefc]

I think fans have short memories to an extent - I remember referee errors happening all the time before VAR and many were calling for technology to come in on that basis.

Its not the tech its how the officials are using it and how the laws are interpretated.

To some degree it is the tech though. They can slow it down and freeze frames. Makes pretty innocuous fouls look far worse than real time. You end up with what happened yesterday and the Liverpool pen on the weekend. They should only be allowed to watch it again in real time imo.

 

[Tommy Chong]

How can you watch that and not assume there's a basis against us?!

Studs up yes, but he doesn't even graze his shin. Why?!

Did Kavanagh's walk in on his mom being railed hard by an Evetonian when he was a boy, and it still traumatizes him to this day?

 

[Jacko93]

I think there are certain things that VAR is good for, such as deciding if the ball has crossed the line for a goal. Or in other countries there is tech that can be used for offsides which the PL doesn't use for some reason. But if referees have an agenda it doesn't matter if there is VAR or not

Yeah, 'VAR' is only useful when it had a rule to work to, is it out? Yes or No. Was the player offside, Yes/No? Its only useful because in those circumstances you have a definitive answer.

The issue comes when you have an external individual assessing decisions made on the field and questioning the decision making ability of the referee in the stadium. The human part of VAR, the current AR is where all of the issue lies.

I was talking in work the other day with our technical teams. I am absolutely convinced that we now have a large enough video library to employ AI on everything. We could create a learning model on everything from intentional handball, to tackles. That will than assess all video frames in an instant and inform the on field spokesperson of the result in near real-time. It will create absolute consistency and the only thing that needs to be done is tagging the knowledge base with unbiased criteria.

Would also be interesting if they were to play all games at the same time, have a big room full of all VAR assistants, and they aren;t looking after a game, but rather get assigned a potential decision randomly. The image/video they see is computer generated (again, can be done in real time) without colour of short, locational information or identifiable data. Remove all unconcious bias. Was sufficient contact made? Is it a foul? Yes, Penalty to Everton, foul by VVD. The AR would have no idea who fouled who or where on the pitch it happened.

 

[JimmyK]

The technology should be used to prevent massive cock ups not to re referee games or get pinpoint precision on offsides. Have someone there watching it and if they see that the ref has missed an elbow or an off the ball incident or someone is blatantly offside and it wasn't picked up then they tell the ref and the embarrassing disaster decision is averted. Anything on top of that is just unnecessary

 

[maccavennie]

The technology should be used to prevent massive cock ups not to re referee games or get pinpoint precision on offsides. Have someone there watching it and if they see that the ref has missed an elbow or an off the ball incident or someone is blatantly offside and it wasn't picked up then they tell the ref and the embarrassing disaster decision is averted. Anything on top of that is just unnecessary

The offside ones for me are just the worst of the worst. I wouldn't mind conceding a goal if the opposition striker is a few inches ahead of the line because there should be a bit of give and take. Measuring players from the arm, shoulder etc is pathetic.

 

[JimmyK]

The offside ones for me are just the worst of the worst. I wouldn't mind conceding a goal if the opposition striker is a few inches ahead of the line because there should be a bit of give and take. Measuring players from the arm, shoulder etc is pathetic.

Yes I totally agree its just not necessary I don't think any football fan ever thought that is how the offside rule should work.

 

[Tommy Chong]

And what does Hughes say to DCL as he's walking off? Cheeky git!