Vegans

[trueblue84]

I like eating animals. I want to try that french thing where they force feed a sparrow cognac til it drowns and then eat it whole. They say you are supposed to eat it under a cloth to hide your shame from god, but I wouldn't. I'd look up at the sky and say "look what I'm doing to your creations" or "stop making everything so tasty".

 

[Walken]

‘Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.’

I demand to see some of the trabs our vegan cohort are wearing or if they a merely following a vegan diet and are in actual fact part timers and bang wagon jumpers who can’t fully commit to thier professed lifestyle choice.

Or it could be a group of people making small changes in their lifes to feel better about themselves and make some small contribution to a common good and you are spouting false equivilance nonsense.

I ride a bike wherever I can to destinations, occasionally I have to use a car. I'm not asking everyone to give up everything and I don't try and educate through shame. Your opposal through false equivilance is just as silly.

 

[Prevenger17]

We are part of nature tooth and claw. We are animals, not above them.

Aye, we are following the natural order of things by breeding billions of animals, forcing them on to large conveyor belts to be cut into pieces by industrial sized killing machines, filled with additives, processed, stuffed into sealed airtight plastic containers, shipped out and sold by giant multinational companies to people who have barely seen a drop of blood in their life. We are at one with nature

 

[trueblue84]

What's vegan view on the Welsh shagging sheep? Is it animal love or animal abuse?

 

[ClausThomsen]

I respect vegans and vegetarians (my wife is one), but don't agree with the lengths they go to in self-denial. We are part of nature tooth and claw. We are animals, not above them. I will eat meat and would accept, in turn, that nature is quite happy to watch me should I give it a chance.

I would not invite a vegan to a meal and accommodate their desires by cooking a separate meal for them, to that which others are happy to eat. I think Buddhism is a better model. Buddhists (monks) are vegetarian, yet they will eat anything that is put in their bowl, a show of gratitude being more important than their personal values.

Do vegans sit well consuming fruits fertilised by insects, or is that a level yet to come? I wonder if they would poison/shoot rats that are eating their winter stores.

A lot of vegans make that choice due to a lack of faith in the industrial farming process and the marketing led safeguards and standards which often appear to be little more than a "How far can we push this definition" box ticking exercise. It's not about being separate from nature.

It's not an alternate model to Buddhism. It's a dietary choice which a lot of people find very beneficial and a way of opting out of an often brutal intense farming process. Being concerned at the damage laying 300+ eggs a year does to a hen or having issue with cows being relentlessly inseminated to keep producing milk is not the same as saying we shouldn't eat pork scratchings because of the sanctity of life.

 

[Rita_Poon]

 

[chrismpw]

Aye, we are following the natural order of things by breeding billions of animals, forcing them on to large conveyor belts to be cut into pieces by industrial sized killing machines, filled with additives, processed, stuffed into sealed airtight plastic containers, shipped out and sold by giant multinational companies to people who have barely seen a drop of blood in their life. We are at one with nature

That's just corporate drive to maximise the personal acquisition of wealth. It also makes a good source of food affordable to many and brings nillions pleasure. I much prefer to find my meat not processed and local. I've even been prepared to kill and prepare it myself. I think that's an important thing people should be prepared to do. Having said that, everybody is happy to ride a bike, but how many make their own from raw materials?

 

[Walken]

That's just corporate drive to maximise the personal acquisition of wealth. It also makes a good source of food affordable to many and brings nillions pleasure. I much prefer to find my meat not processed and local. I've even been prepared to kill and prepare it myself. I think that's an important thing people should be prepared to do. Having said that, everybody is happy to ride a bike, but how many make their own from raw materials?

We have moved onto the enjoyment of killing then, before shaming people who don't having their own smelting facilities to make their own bikes and should therefore keep driving everyday out of such shame.

 

[Prevenger17]

That's just corporate drive to maximise the personal acquisition of wealth. It also makes a good source of food affordable to many and brings nillions pleasure. I much prefer to find my meat not processed and local. I've even been prepared to kill and prepare it myself. I think that's an important thing people should be prepared to do. Having said that, everybody is happy to ride a bike, but how many make their own from raw materials?

Incredible logic with the bike there Chris, I'm stumped and have nothing more say

 

[JimmyJeffers]

lol

 

[Prevenger17]

Always find the "nature" argument to be the most hollow. As if the 4 pathetic canines poking out our rows of horse teeth mark us out as apex predators. Many of the wild animals we eat would kick the crap out of us in a fair fight

 

[JimmyJeffers]

I made my bike frame from panda bones.

 

[Bedfordblue]

Or it could be a group of people making small changes in their lifes to feel better about themselves and make some small contribution to a common good and you are spouting false equivilance nonsense.

I ride a bike wherever I can to destinations, occasionally I have to use a car. I'm not asking everyone to give up everything and I don't try and educate through shame. Your opposal through false equivilance is just as silly.

My opposal?
And where exactly are you finding false equivalence in my post? Which incidentally is verbatim The Vegan Society’s definition…..
If someone claims to be a vegan but quite happily wears animal products they aren’t vegan.
Eat what you want, wear what you want but don’t claim to be something you aren’t and not have the urine taken out of you.
You’re not ‘CyclingMikey’ by chance are you?

 

[Prevenger17]

Many people enjoy playing their Playstation, but how many people are willing to build their own industrial excavators, mine silicon from the raw earth, design and manufacture their own microchips, turn oil into plastic, build the casing and then design and program their own Crash Bandicoot racing game on design software that they also designed and programmed from scratch? Really makes you think

 

[cronullasharks]

Only took 5 or so pages to kick off. Well done all