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[Bungle]

Nik they type of pocket immigrant communities you hate so much - is an exact replica of the type of Irish community I grew up in in the UK.

In the late 70s/early 80s I grew up in a wholly self sufficient Irish sub-culture. The English primary school I went to was 90% Irish first abd second generation kids. I remember it well how the real English kids stood out. Away from school it was church, church social club and the Gaelic sports centre - oh and intermixed with trips to our various cousins and family friends that all lived within a mile of us. Tell me would that idea offend you?

I suggest that type of homogenisation amongst immigrants I absolutely standard for any first and second generation immigrant group. If the local community is receptive - then they assimilate.

Ultimately though all your scaremongering falls flat on the idea that somehow the great body of public opinion is somehow going to accept any encroachment into their day to day lives from hard line sharia law. It just won't happen.

For someone thAt claims to be educated you seem to have a blind spot over the last 1,000 years of democratic evolution in England and most other European countries. It is a fundamental element to our psyche and being. We will not give up our freedoms. Where is your evidence to suggest all of a sudden that we will? And please don't bring up some pathetic tinkering around the edges.

So ultimately I do think that scaremongers like you actually make the situation far worse.

You claim not to be affiliated to any political group yet your sound bites and arguments are almost identical as the EDL. Why is that?

As an aside I do not think sharia law in certain Asian countries will last beyond a single generation. I don't think any educated grouping will accept such a hard line dictatorship for very long.

Ultimately through education and community engagement we can hopefully evolve in a constructive manner. So the sooner that the police take a much harder line with those that preach hate - on both sides- the better.

Got any pets Dell?

 

[steken1]

Nik they type of pocket immigrant communities you hate so much - is an exact replica of the type of Irish community I grew up in in the UK.

In the late 70s/early 80s I grew up in a wholly self sufficient Irish sub-culture. The English primary school I went to was 90% Irish first and second generation kids. I remember it well how the real English kids stood out. Away from school it was church, church social club and the Gaelic sports centre - oh and intermixed with trips to our various cousins and family friends that all lived within a mile of us. Tell me would that idea offend you?

I suggest that type of homogenisation amongst immigrants is absolutely standard for any first and second generation immigrant group. If the local community is receptive - then they assimilate.

Ultimately though all your scaremongering falls flat on the idea that somehow the great body of public opinion is somehow going to accept any encroachment into their day to day lives from hard line sharia law. It just won't happen.

For someone that claims to be educated you seem to have a blind spot over the last 1,000 years of democratic evolution in England and most other European countries. It is a fundamental element to our psyche and being. We will not give up our freedoms. Where is your evidence to suggest all of a sudden that we will? And please don't bring up some pathetic tinkering around the edges.

So ultimately I do think that scaremongers like you actually make the situation far worse.

You claim not to be affiliated to any political group yet your sound bites and arguments are almost identical as the EDL. Why is that?

As an aside I do not think sharia law in certain Asian countries will last beyond a single generation. I don't think any educated grouping will accept such a hard line dictatorship for very long.

Ultimately through education and community engagement we can hopefully evolve in a constructive manner. So the sooner that the police take a much harder line with those that preach hate - on both sides- the better.

If within that sub-culture it was consistently preached how this countries ideals was against gods wishes, terrorist recruiting and fundraising happened, views were forced on the indigenous population and there was open hostility against other religions and belief systems I doubt that irish communities would have proliferated through Britain the way they did.

Completely different situation IMO. Moving from a christian country to another one is nowhere near the same.

 

[Dell Boy]

Got any pets Dell?

None that live with me. I have some hunting hounds that live at the kennel though. Don't make a big deal of that though please!

 

[Dell Boy]

If within that sub-culture it was consistently preached how this countries ideals was against gods wishes, terrorist recruiting and fundraising happened, views were forced on the indigenous population and there was open hostility against other religions and belief systems I doubt that irish communities would have proliferated through Britain the way they did.

Completely different situation IMO. Moving from a christian country to another one is nowhere near the same.

Of course there are some differences mate but I'm just saying the fact that an immigrant group largely keeps itself to itself is normal - initially at least.

I do a lot of work in the east of England - lincs and Norfolk and there poles are a major sub- group and despite being white Christians they keep themselves entirely separate (by and large).

 

[steken1]

Of course there are some differences mate but I'm just saying the fact that an immigrant group largely keeps itself to itself is normal - initially at least.

I do a lot of work in the easy of England - lincs and Norfolk and there poles are a major sub- group and despite being white Christians they keep themselves entirely separate (by and large).

I think where language is a barrier for the immigrant it's always likely as you say. I've lived and worked within places of high immigration and the Polish mix very, very well with everyone.

I've also met Muslims who mix very well but I couldn't honestly say they try and mix or make themselves a part of the community in the main.

 

[EFCNIK]

Nik the type of pocket immigrant communities you hate so much - is an exact replica of the type of Irish community I grew up in in the UK.

In the late 70s/early 80s I grew up in a wholly self sufficient Irish sub-culture. The English primary school I went to was 90% Irish first and second generation kids. I remember it well how the real English kids stood out. Away from school it was church, church social club and the Gaelic sports centre - oh and intermixed with trips to our various cousins and family friends that all lived within a mile of us. Tell me would that idea offend you?

I suggest that type of homogenisation amongst immigrants is absolutely standard for any first and second generation immigrant group. If the local community is receptive - then they assimilate.

Ultimately though all your scaremongering falls flat on the idea that somehow the great body of public opinion is somehow going to accept any encroachment into their day to day lives from hard line sharia law. It just won't happen.

For someone that claims to be educated you seem to have a blind spot over the last 1,000 years of democratic evolution in England and most other European countries. It is a fundamental element to our psyche and being. We will not give up our freedoms. Where is your evidence to suggest all of a sudden that we will? And please don't bring up some pathetic tinkering around the edges.

So ultimately I do think that scaremongers like you actually make the situation far worse.

You claim not to be affiliated to any political group yet your sound bites and arguments are almost identical as the EDL. Why is that?

As an aside I do not think sharia law in certain Asian countries will last beyond a single generation. I don't think any educated grouping will accept such a hard line dictatorship for very long.

Ultimately through education and community engagement we can hopefully evolve in a constructive manner. So the sooner that the police take a much harder line with those that preach hate - on both sides- the better.

Good lord. Why do you insist on mentioning the EDL on every post. They are a group of a few hundred maybe a couple of thousand people. They are fairly insignificant. I agree whole heartedly with the notion 'we are against sharia' and I agree with their frustrations of two tier police systems and the radicalisation and non intergration of muslims in the UK. I also don't agree with the persistant argument that they are a racist far right wing group of skinheads, when the evidence suggests (they have a Sikh division and black people march with them etc etc) that they are not, so I reject peoples standard argument that if you disagree with the current state of affairs dat u r in der racist edl lad. The reason that I cant really offer my support is because I don't particulally agree with how some of them go about stuff. They can be violent (although often provoked) and its not really my style. Ive got better stuff to be doing on a Saturday like fapping away my hangover. Just please stop using the EDL as part of your argument, it is so unbelievably irrelevent. If people actually woke up and listened to peoples legitimate frustrations then the EDL wouldn't need to exist.

 

[Dell Boy]

Nik whether you like it or not your core line of argument is almost indistinguishable from one particular group - the EDL!

If you're ashamed by that connection don't blame me!

As before mate I don't think there's any chance of sharia law taking hold here so it's a storm in a tea cup.

 

[formerly manx toffee]

NIK they are a racist right wing group though.

 

[steken1]

Nik whether you like it or not your core line of argument is almost indistinguishable from one particular group - the EDL!

If you're ashamed by that connection don't blame me!

As before mate I don't think there's any chance of sharia law taking hold here so it's a storm in a tea cup.

Dell I think you know that groups like the EDL and the BNP will have legitimate arguments that make the 'average' man buy in. It wouldn't shock me if every person on this forum couldn't find at least one point they make they agree with.

Hidden within that is arguably a nasty hidden agenda but the EDL in particular do have some valid grievances that non racists/Xenophobics etc like myself relate to.

 

[gordonjblair]

2 words.

Urban density.

urban dentistry?

Like Grillz an shizz?

 

[Allezfan]

Are Nik and Ste arguing that the edl aren't racist here?

 

[Goat]

Are Nik and Ste arguing that the edl aren't racist here?

No they are arguing that just cos they share some of the EDLs "values" it doesnt mean they are the same as the EDL.

Its a lot like the Anti-Kenwrongers getting compared to the Blue Union.

Basically think 1937 Nazi Germany.

 

[Allezfan]

No they are arguing that just cos they share some of the EDLs "values" it doesnt mean they are the same as the EDL.

Its a lot like the Anti-Kenwrongers getting compared to the Blue Union.

Basically think 1937 Nazi Germany.

"I also don't agree with the persistant argument that they are a racist far right wing group of skinheads, when the evidence suggests (they have a Sikh division and black people march with them etc etc) that they are not,"

 

[Goat]

"I also don't agree with the persistant argument that they are a racist far right wing group of skinheads, when the evidence suggests (they have a Sikh division and black people march with them etc etc) that they are not,"

Hes right, not many have skinheads from the footage ive seen.

 

[formerly manx toffee]

Think ste is arguing he has some sympathy for some of their views. NIK though seems to believe the EDL are not a racist right wing group.

AF you are spot on here.

Its a dark place.