Well well well

[Blue 1]

Wow, is Tony Benn considered militant these days?

I think that fairly well illustrates how far to the right public discourse has shifted in recent years.

 

[Dell Boy]

Wow, is Tony Benn considered militant these days?

I think that fairly well illustrates how far to the right public discourse has shifted in recent years.

I believe he is yes. Sorry if that sounds bad but a lot if the old left wing commandments have been shot down to pieces - eg full state ownership of major enterprises, full employment and excessive taxation.

I believe in strong employment rights but I have to recognise you cannot have a situation where say a new part time bank clerk has a row at work after a few weeks doing say 12 or 15 hours a week and can the use state support to spend a year taking that employer through the courts. Or the idea that teachers, firemen and nurses etc cannot be sacked full stop

 

[EFCNIK]

First of all the woman in this instance does have a right to appeal to an independent tribunal - that's after her employer already went through a process.

I think you are badly stereotyping all left-wing voters. We are not all militant Tony Benns.

I've said previously there has to be a cut-off point in deciding which workers qualify for full employment rights. It cannot be open to all or the whole system would fail. We have to be pragmatic. There has to be some flexibility.

But also if somebody deserves to be sacked then there shouldn't be a safety net to protect them. Or do you automatically think all left Wing supporters are pushovers? It is alleged that this dinner lady had previous form for bad behaviour for example.

If she's been wronged then she'll be appropriately compensated. If she doesn't appeal - after all the publicity - or if she does appeal and it is dismissed then she's one worker that society can do without.

I'm also curious as to how UKIP got in on this........and before any independent appeal.

The UK has no place for racial intolerance. The UK is an island nation that has embraced immigrants for thousands of years. Without immigrants the UK wouldn't be half the place it is today.

The truly laughable thing about the likes of UKIP, the BNP and the EDL is that the leading lights of each probably have more immigrant blood in them than they were ever care to admit.

What is a true Englishman anyway? At what point does an immigrant become accepted as a native? Three generations or seven?!

Hahaha! Abu Qatada is just as english as the rest of us!!!!!

God you are completely missing the point. We are a tiny island, there is simply no room for anymore. All anybody wants is sensible immigration, you know people who can benefit society? Not people who are going to come and create tiny little non intergrated parts of their own ****hole countries and pour scorn on the native way of life.

I don't think its racist to not want that.

 

[chicoazul]

Hahaha! Abu Qatada is just as english as the rest of us!!!!!

God you are completely missing the point. We are a tiny island, there is simply no room for anymore. All anybody wants is sensible immigration, you know people who can benefit society? Not people who are going to come and create tiny little non intergrated parts of their own ****hole countries and pour scorn on the native way of life.

I don't think its racist to not want that.

All this no room thing. Tiny island and that.

Take a guess what percent of the land is populated?

 

[Goat]

All this no room thing. Tiny island and that.

Take a guess what percent of the land is populated?

So you wanna take our green spaces so we can house more foreigners?

 

[EFCNIK]

All this no room thing. Tiny island and that.

Take a guess what percent of the land is populated?

Just one issue. My main gripe is feeling like a foreigner and having to repeat myself in my own country. Its getting beyond a joke in places like luton now. To get a job in customer service you should at least have a basic level of english.

 

[Dell Boy]

Hahaha! Abu Qatada is just as english as the rest of us!!!!!

God you are completely missing the point. We are a tiny island, there is simply no room for anymore. All anybody wants is sensible immigration, you know people who can benefit society? Not people who are going to come and create tiny little non intergrated parts of their own ****hole countries and pour scorn on the native way of life.

I don't think its racist to not want that.

You miss the point entirely.

Firstly calling random countries other than the UK as "****hole countries" is downright ignorant but hey ho.

The UK has a long history of immigration. We are part of the EU. As long as someone can come to the UK with the ability and desire to support themselves then I say the more the merrier. Let as many Polish builders in as possible - in my experience they offer great quality and great value.

I'm curious as to what is this wonderful nirvana you want to maintain? Take a wild guess why there are so many immigrant enclaves with the likes of the EDL running around.

Live and let live I say - and the more Muslims the better!

 

[chicoazul]

Just one issue. My main gripe is feeling like a foreigner and having to repeat myself in my own country. Its getting beyond a joke in places like luton now. To get a job in customer service you should at least have a basic level of english.

Answer the question lid, come on.

 

[Goat]

First they tuk r jobs, now they tuk our fields.

 

[chicoazul]

So you wanna take our green spaces so we can house more foreigners?

Give me a split percentage in England between urban area and green natural land. Go on, in this cramped island what do you think it would be?

 

[Gwladys St. Glory]

Come to America, Nik...plenty of landscaping jobs.

 

[Brennan]

All this no room thing. Tiny island and that.

Take a guess what percent of the land is populated?

That's a poor response, population is far more complicated than just looking at the land mass and seeing we've got space to build houses.

 

[Goat]

Give me a split percentage in England between urban area and green natural land. Go on, in this cramped island what do you think it would be?

Demographers estimate that the UK population will increase to approximately 75 million by 2051. If this is true, the increase equals the population of two cities the size of London.

Therefore the UK is going to have to build many more houses. Even if demographers have over-calculated, life expectancy is increasing and there more households with single occupancy - both factors increase the demand for housing.

 

[chicoazul]

That's a poor response, population is far more complicated than just looking at the land mass and seeing we've got space to build houses.

Pipe down Annie. It's a reasonable point when he's saying the island is so cramped.

 

[EFCNIK]

You miss the point entirely.

Firstly calling random countries other than the UK as "****hole countries" is downright ignorant but hey ho.

The UK has a long history of immigration. We are part of the EU. As long as someone can come to the UK with the ability and desire to support themselves then I say the more the merrier. Let as many Polish builders in as possible - in my experience they offer great quality and great value.

I'm curious as to what is this wonderful nirvana you want to maintain? Take a wild guess why there are so many immigrant enclaves with the likes of the EDL running around.

Live and let live I say - and the more Muslims the better!

Sorry mate pakistan is lovely this time of year.

The edl, whether you agree with how they go about things or not, are against militant islam and aspects of islamic ideology, not any race of people. Their sikh division and the black people who go to their protests wouldn't be happy if they did. Please stop bringing them up to try and deflect the issue. They really are nothing to do with anything.

There is a problem with excess immigration in this country, plain and simple. If you can't see it now then fair enough, but you will probably see it quite soon!