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Who could replace Martinez ?

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davek said:
We went on an unbeaten 8 game run before it was stopped on the last day of November at Spurs. So that's what, 34 days ago (or 5 weeks, if you prefer)?

That is the very definition of a short term.

What we're dealing with here is mass hysteria. The flames of which are being fanned by a bunch of people who were never ever going to give a passing possession based style of football the chance to reassert itself at Everton again. They have been harbouring a grudge about the treatment their guru Moyes received after leaving Everton and they now are seizing upon a chance to unseat his successor in some merciless act of spite.

That is pretty much the whole top and bottom of this.
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Sorry but this post has proven to me that you are full of shyte
 

daz4matty said:
Don't agree with that moyes is history and if martinez goes someone new will come in.
I think people are just shocked at how this talented squad we have are on a run of 7 defeats in 9 games playing awful slow football.
Martinez is looking more lost as each game goes by and if he is letting the players dictate to him he is not the right man anyway.
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You said it mate.

That's enough to see a manger out the door is it these days?

If he'd been a poor manager in his first season I might agree with you. But he transformed this club from one style to another and blazed a trail of 21 wins.

How anyone can reasonably suggest you punish a slide like this with dismissal after that last season is beyond me.

As I said above: this is mass hysteria whipped up by people who were opposed to Martinez's appointment in the first place and they've agitated so much for the desired action they want to see happen they've taken an awful lot of usually rational people along with them.

They need to be seen for what they are and ignored. And we have to step back from the edge of darkness.
 
PurpleRain said:
yes regulary and its not total possession football it's fast football like the national side you won't find them passing across there defence all afternoon it's into the midfielders and onto to their attackers.
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No it's not total possession: they allow the opposition to hold onto it for about 5 minutes.

Spot on.
 
davek said:
You said it mate.

That's enough to see a manger out the door is it these days?

If he'd been a poor manager in his first season I might agree with you. But he transformed this club from one style to another and blazed a trail of 21 wins.

How anyone can reasonably suggest you punish a slide like this with dismissal after that last season is beyond me.

As I said above: this is mass hysteria whipped up by people who were opposed to Martinez's appointment in the first place and they've agitated so much for the desired action they want to see happen they've taken an awful lot of usually rational people along with them.

They need to be seen for what they are and ignored. And we have to step back from the edge of darkness.
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The problem we have though its getting worse and i agree with you that the players are not playing for him which is a disgrace but something has to happen for the sake of the club and if things carry on like they are he has to go.
The last thing any of us want is relegation and i am afraid its easier to get rid of 1 person than the whole lot.
He was brilliant last season but that person has gone.
The tactics are killing us and leading to mistakes and confidence issues,i don't know what has happened to him.
 
davek said:
We went on an unbeaten 8 game run before it was stopped on the last day of November at Spurs. So that's what, 34 days ago (or 5 weeks, if you prefer)?

That is the very definition of a short term.

What we're dealing with here is mass hysteria. The flames of which are being fanned by a bunch of people who were never ever going to give a passing possession based style of football the chance to reassert itself at Everton again. They have been harbouring a grudge about the treatment their guru Moyes received after leaving Everton and they now are seizing upon a chance to unseat his successor in some merciless act of spite.

That is pretty much the whole top and bottom of this.
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Sorry, but you're entrenched in a belief that it is one or the other; all Martinez or all Moyes is worse than the people you're spouting about.

It's not that simple and it is something I've remarked about in the past. Really, it suggests an entrenched or antagonising view of your own.

This isn't about disliking Martinez and loving Moyes, or being a fan of hoof football over possession football. Rather, it's about the here and now.

It is being rightfully concerned about the current situation which has fermented much longer than Spuds away, or 34 days as you prefer.

I mentioned in another thread that there have been less than a handful games we've played 'well' this season. We're a shadow of last season.

Look back at Sunderland away or Swansea at home. Each got a point, but we didn't play particularly well at all in either of the games.

Martinez got it right last season and he should rightfully be applauded for that. However, teams have adapted to our style of play this season.

We may still have the possession, but how we use the ball has become atrocious: slow tempo; lack of movement; pressed by teams.

You do not have to 'love' Moyes or wish to revert back to some archaic football to see that. He was doing well - now he's not. That's a fair view.

Mentioning the likes of Germany and Bayern is laughable. Yes they hold the ball, but they also move with pace and determination.

Equally, they close down an awful lot when they do eventually lose the ball. Can you say any of our players are doing this. No...

Unless Martinez adapts his style to our current predicament, then we could be playing his style of football in the Championship like Wigan.

I will happily applaud Martinez again, with his possession style, if we start scoring more goals than we concede. If we win more than we lose.

Both things we aren't doing... Things which are leading us towards the path of abyss. That's pretty much the top and bottom of it.

I do not know if you're just fishing or not (I expect so), but it genuinely worries me that people may believe the stuff you are spouting.
 

I haven't heard any thing but the stories, or lack of them, in tomorrow's papers may give us some indication of
how Martinez's future is panning out at Everton. I still hope for his sake he will sort it out, it,s really down to him, if he
stays stubborn and will not change, then I fear for him. I hope he changes his style and gives himself a chance.
 
daz4matty said:
The problem we have though its getting worse and i agree with you that the players are not playing for him which is a disgrace but something has to happen for the sake of the club and if things carry on like they are he has to go.
The last thing any of us want is relegation and i am afraid its easier to get rid of 1 person than the whole lot.
He was brilliant last season but that person has gone.
The tactics are killing us and leading to mistakes and confidence issues,i don't know what has happened to him.
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You say it's the players not doing it for him; then you point to the tactics as the problem.

This is a good example of the confusion there is over the matter.

There's just no clear analysis of what's going on by people looking to rush headfirst over the edge: there may be a soft landing...there may be nothing but a 100ft drop and disaster.

I think I'll just continue getting behind a manager who's proven he's a winner.
 
We do need new players but it wont make much difference if we still play the same suicidal way. Other clubs are starting to make moves, dither too long and there wont be a decent replacement available and the other relegation candidates will have strengthened. Lose next two games and we need to think hard about the future and be realistic. If he is doing nothing to address the situation, we need to act fast while there is still some window time left.
 

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