Windows 10

[mezzrow]

Worth a read. Reports of push installs of Windows 10 if you have auto updates checked.

http://www.infoworld.com/article/30...ded-users-to-windows-10-without-their-ok.html

 

[McBain]

I watched somebody struggle with their Macbook for an hour and a half yesterday. I'm a Windows power user and a member of the Insiders program (meaning I test Windows 10 builds before they're released to the public), so I know how to troubleshoot things.

But I have, quite intentionally, never learned how to fix Macs, or any Apple device. Because I've gotten sick and tired of Mac users telling me how it "just works" and they have "zero problems".

That's a bald-faced lie. Computers are incredibly complex machines. There were always be problems. But the elitism of Mac fans means I don't really want to help them navigate it.

(She was having a very basic missing driver issue, by the way.)

Here's the boilerplate advice I'd give to @kithnou or anybody else asking if they should upgrade at this point. If you're happy with your current 7 or 8 setup, really aren't excited about any of the new features in 10, aren't enough of a techie to want to play with the new shiny stuff, and think you might possibly buy a new computer before June anyway, don't worry about it.

There are added advantages in security, startup time, and efficiency over 7 or 8, but none of that is Earth-shattering. If you change your mind, the free upgrade is available for a few more months.

The biggest advantages, like access to the Windows Store apps or enhanced touch support, are things that are still very much under development or only apply to newer machines anyway.

Good Post mate. Anyone can struggle with any computer TBH and unless you're a nerd you will struggle to do most anything. I am, in the general scheme of things a second or third generation computer user. I was probably introduced to them in the early 80's and I remember using some at school circa 1986 - black screen with green text and basic images. We then got fancy Macintosh II's in every second classroom in 1988/89. I remember my best mates Dad being a Computer programmer in the late 80's. We got a home PC around 1995 and I had a laptop by 1997/98.

I decided to switch to Mac in 2010 and have never had any problem bar having to change the battery. PC's seem so bug ridden and impossibly complicated, jerky and prone to crashing constantly. The fact that people would baulk at getting the latest version of something doesn't make sense. Why would you want an outdated operating system? I'm sure it was the same for XP and then Windows 7. And why would anything be underdeveloped in 2016? What has Bill Gates been doing? PC's are so ad-hoc and problematic.

Anyway, with all my computing experience my point is that PC's are Fume Fests and Macs are so much easier to use. It's not elitist, it's just fact. You should have helped that lady too btw, Bad Karma.

 

[carlos21]

Good Post mate. Anyone can struggle with any computer TBH and unless you're a nerd you will struggle to do most anything. I am, in the general scheme of things a second or third generation computer user. I was probably introduced to them in the early 80's and I remember using some at school circa 1986 - black screen with green text and basic images. We then got fancy Macintosh II's in every second classroom in 1988/89. I remember my best mates Dad being a Computer programmer in the late 80's. We got a home PC around 1995 and I had a laptop by 1997/98.

I decided to switch to Mac in 2010 and have never had any problem bar having to change the battery. PC's seem so bug ridden and impossibly complicated, jerky and prone to crashing constantly. The fact that people would baulk at getting the latest version of something doesn't make sense. Why would you want an outdated operating system? I'm sure it was the same for XP and then Windows 7. And why would anything be underdeveloped in 2016? What has Bill Gates been doing? PC's are so ad-hoc and problematic.

Anyway, with all my computing experience my point is that PC's are Fume Fests and Macs are so much easier to use. It's not elitist, it's just fact. You should have helped that lady too btw, Bad Karma.

Hi mcbainzzzzzzzz have you got a question for Carlos.

 

[McBain]

Hi mcbainzzzzzzzz have you got a question for Carlos.

PC or Mac Carlito?

 

[kithnou]

PC or Mac Carlito?

Carlos strikes me as a Mac man?

 

[Garrick]

Anyway, with all my computing experience my point is that PC's are Fume Fests and Macs are so much easier to use. It's not elitist, it's just fact. You should have helped that lady too btw, Bad Karma.

Go back 10 years and I'd probably agree with you, but I just don't think that's the case anymore. Nowadays I think it's down to personal preference.

And I did, actually. Let her use my Lumia to call somebody for help when she was having problems with her iPhone, too

(I'm terrible, I know.)

 

[DualityNSNO]

Anyway, with all my computing experience my point is that PC's are Fume Fests and Macs are so much easier to use. It's not elitist, it's just fact. You should have helped that lady too btw, Bad Karma.

I don't really agree tbh, for me it's exactly the opposite. I'm not new to it as well, I've used Linux and all that before - more a habit at this point to use Windows more efficiently than having to learn a new OS that seems a (big) bit meh to me, personally.

Plus if you want to absolutely kill a system on purpose you can't even get any cool viruses on Mac systems ffs! How lame is that?!

 

[DualityNSNO]

That said, I dislike Windows 8/8.1/10, just because it looks like it should be on a phone more than anything.

 

[Kiwi]

That said, I dislike Windows 8/8.1/10, just because it looks like it should be on a phone more than anything.

Windows 10 I have found is quicker cleaner, more secure and efficient for me. Had it half a year with no kinks, in comparison to 8/8.1 where I had all kinds of issues. The apps are far better integrated into the system than the 8 & 8.1.
Glad I upgraded tbh, the screencasting feature through the Xbox app only available on 10 is incredibly useful too.

 

[USABlue]

anyone of you able to tell me what this error code means when i tried to update to 10 from 7?
800703F1

 

[McBain]

Go back 10 years and I'd probably agree with you, but I just don't think that's the case anymore. Nowadays I think it's down to personal preference.

And I did, actually. Let her use my Lumia to call somebody for help when she was having problems with her iPhone, too

(I'm terrible, I know.)

Lumia! You're right into your windows.

Kind of funny how they all want to look like Iphones nowadays! I always feel abit sorry for people with fake Iphones.

 

[Dylan]

Lumia! You're right into your windows.

Kind of funny how they all want to look like Iphones nowadays! I always feel abit sorry for people with fake Iphones.

The Lumia runs Windows........it looks nothing like an iPhone, either physically of the software!

As this has digressed into a Mac vs Windows thread (yeah, thanks for that @McBain ) lets get it back on track.

For all my reservations with upgrading an existing Windows installation to 10, since I have done it with my laptop (which came with 8.1, but before I did anything I upgraded to 10) it has actually been fantastic! The minor annoyances of Windows Firewall turning itself back on only really give me problems when I am upgrading firmware and using FTP server software (the firewall blocks port 21 for those who don't know, is the port that FTP traffic uses).

I have had a couple of 'BSODs' but that was from running a very, very old flash tool that forces me to use a serial-to-usb adapter. Otherwise it has been rock solid for me. On the other side of the office however (the guy who updated his year old laptop) it has been nothing but trouble for him.

To reiterate my earlier stance, fresh install, go for it. Windows 10 is really, really great! If you are upgrading an older machine, I would stick with 7/8/8.1 for now.

 

[Dylan]

If I do a clean Windows 10 install for free, don't like it or have issues, is it just a case of putting my Windows 7 installation disk back in and going easily back to 7?

No......but not in the sense you think. In Windows 10 you have the option of reverting back to your previous installation for 30 days after the initial upgrade (so no need to whack in the Windows 7 disk).

Although in your case, I would back up all your important data, wipe your drive, do a fresh install of Windows 7, then update to 10. Chances are everything will go nice and smooth and your Windows 10 experience will be positive.

 

[kithnou]

To reiterate my earlier stance, fresh install, go for it. Windows 10 is really, really great! If you are upgrading an older machine, I would stick with 7/8/8.1 for now.

Yes that's me. Oldish computer running 7. I think I will just keep with 7.
Everything going smoothly touch wood.
My time with 10 will come later.

 

[McBain]

The Lumia runs Windows........it looks nothing like an iPhone, either physically of the software!

As this has digressed into a Mac vs Windows thread (yeah, thanks for that @McBain ) lets get it back on track.

For all my reservations with upgrading an existing Windows installation to 10, since I have done it with my laptop (which came with 8.1, but before I did anything I upgraded to 10) it has actually been fantastic! The minor annoyances of Windows Firewall turning itself back on only really give me problems when I am upgrading firmware and using FTP server software (the firewall blocks port 21 for those who don't know, is the port that FTP traffic uses).

I have had a couple of 'BSODs' but that was from running a very, very old flash tool that forces me to use a serial-to-usb adapter. Otherwise it has been rock solid for me. On the other side of the office however (the guy who updated his year old laptop) it has been nothing but trouble for him.

To reiterate my earlier stance, fresh install, go for it. Windows 10 is really, really great! If you are upgrading an older machine, I would stick with 7/8/8.1 for now.

+10 Rep

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