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Transfer Rumour Yankuba Minteh

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Tommy. said:
I feel like context has been ignored here.
Whilst that may all be true, we also had one of the best defences in the league last season (13 clean sheets) so yep, we were poor attacking but your lovely stat there is skewed by how impressive defensively we were relative to league position.
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Yes. Everton were sound defensively. No doubt.

But my first post in this thread was a comment regarding taking 1-0 every day over trying to play modern expansive football. The longer you stick to the old school pragmatic and defensive football the rest of the world are moving away from, the harder it will be to catch up.

If your team doesn't play out from the back, it will affect the market value for your goalkeeper, your defenders and the midfielders. And it will define what players you are able to sign, as players with ambitions of playing for a top team or international football need to be at a team that plays out from the back.

A Branthwaite should be grateful for Everton being poor enough to give him a lot of minutes at a young age, but I am sure that he is well aware that he would be in England's starting eleven at the Euros and have interest from more top teams if he played for a team that defends how successful teams are defending. To get to the top he'll need to be in a team that is testing him like a top team will.

We can all drool after the young winger prospects in the world, but the reality is that if they sign for Everton, they end up doing more defending than a full back at Brighton or Bournemouth. If they can take minutes from Ashley Young that is....

I don't really mind Dyche, but he is too stubborn to change. And it feels like Everton currently are where Southampton are when they replaced Adkins with Pochettino and Brighton were when they got Potter in for Hughton. Having a manager that does a good job doesn't mean things can be vastly better.
 
Tommy. said:
So we should intentionally worsen our defence without the attacking talent to make up for it?
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That’s up to the manager to change that, he sets up the same city at home or Burnley at home. Just pointing out fans want to see attacking football, first and foremost and TV companies will too, which helps commercially
 

caliblue said:
Yes. Everton were sound defensively. No doubt.

But my first post in this thread was a comment regarding taking 1-0 every day over trying to play modern expansive football. The longer you stick to the old school pragmatic and defensive football the rest of the world are moving away from, the harder it will be to catch up.

If your team doesn't play out from the back, it will affect the market value for your goalkeeper, your defenders and the midfielders. And it will define what players you are able to sign, as players with ambitions of playing for a top team or international football need to be at a team that plays out from the back.

A Branthwaite should be grateful for Everton being poor enough to give him a lot of minutes at a young age, but I am sure that he is well aware that he would be in England's starting eleven at the Euros and have interest from more top teams if he played for a team that defends how successful teams are defending. To get to the top he'll need to be in a team that is testing him like a top team will.

We can all drool after the young winger prospects in the world, but the reality is that if they sign for Everton, they end up doing more defending than a full back at Brighton or Bournemouth. If they can take minutes from Ashley Young that is....

I don't really mind Dyche, but he is too stubborn to change. And it feels like Everton currently are where Southampton are when they replaced Adkins with Pochettino and Brighton were when they got Potter in for Hughton. Having a manager that does a good job doesn't mean things can be vastly better.
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That's fair mate.

We also have to accept though that pragmatism is exactly what was needed last season and Dyche performed admirably in that sense.

I doubt next season will be much different. As exciting as it is to be linked with attack minded players like this Mancunian toothpaste, it'll take time to perform a root cause cleanse and for it to start to transfer to the pitch.

Patience and faith, that's all we can give, isn't it.
 
pfim said:
I like to see winning football.
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We went nearly 4 months without winning and never win if we concede first and never win at goodison if the opposition score a goal. I call it toss of a coin football, hoping to score first or keep games tight and score off a corner.
It’s not a long term strategy to progress as a team.
 

caliblue said:
This is just wrong.

McNeil got minutes early, yes. But he was never a typical winger.

Worth remembering that a young McNeil was valued much higher than what he was sold for. Top 4 clubs were looking at him. But he never developed into the player many thought he would do. If anything, he regressed as a Burnley player.

He was sold at the end of his worst season as a player. His poor season played a part in Dyche getting fired and Burnley being relegated.

I had expectations to McNeil. I was very surprised when I saw how poor he was. And I think Lampard and his team should get some credit for how they worked with him the half season they got with him. He improved. And the football he has played since Dyche became Everton manager, has been much better than anything he did for Burnley.

McNeil went from scoring 7 goals in ~130 games playing for Dyche at Burnley to scoring 5 in 15 when Dyche came to Everton (followed by 3 in 38).
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The point wasn’t ’just how good is McNeil is he a 5/6/7 out of 10. You said he wasn’t playing young attacking players and improving them and my point was apart from McNeil who he brought through and was sold for good money, Dobbin who he gave opportunities to and we sold for good money as part of psr fun and Chermiti who looks to have improved significantly since signing, who has he failed?
 
blueboy72 said:
We went nearly 4 months without winning and never win if we concede first and never win at goodison if the opposition score a goal. I call it toss of a coin football, hoping to score first or keep games tight and score off a corner.
It’s not a long term strategy to progress as a team.
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My point is that no, not every fan wants to play like Brighton or Burnley. We create chances but don't have the right people in the right spots to convert.

48 points is a great season considering our situation. People pay lip service to the absolute dumpster fire the club is/was, but grow impatient with that and say Dyche can't change based on the past 12 months, when we were in survival mode and the team was a pieced-together mish-mash.

If he can't progress the club further under Friedken's ownership, he'll be sacked. It's really that simple. But to say that defending and counter-attacking isn't exciting isn't right. It certainly is and was many times last season.
 
pfim said:
My point is that no, not every fan wants to play like Brighton or Burnley. We create chances but don't have the right people in the right spots to convert.

48 points is a great season considering our situation. People pay lip service to the absolute dumpster fire the club is/was, but grow impatient with that and say Dyche can't change based on the past 12 months, when we were in survival mode and the team was a pieced-together mish-mash.

If he can't progress the club further under Friedken's ownership, he'll be sacked. It's really that simple. But to say that defending and counter-attacking isn't exciting isn't right. It certainly is and was many times last season.
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I much prefer quick counter attacking football than pass a side to death. Problem we've had is we havent had the players to do either so you have to come up with a way to win with a mixture of player styles. I like the fact we seemed to be looking at players that mean we can have more of an identity.

Even big Tim is all about winning the ball higher up the pitch, this Minteh cat looks to have pace to burn and can hit teams on the break and doesnt look scared to help out defensively. The frustration with Doucoure is that his passing isnt the best and in Ndiaye we can potentially have a player that has the work rate but also the guile.
 
Shibbywiggles said:
The point wasn’t ’just how good is McNeil is he a 5/6/7 out of 10. You said he wasn’t playing young attacking players and improving them and my point was apart from McNeil who he brought through and was sold for good money, Dobbin who he gave opportunities to and we sold for good money as part of psr fun and Chermiti who looks to have improved significantly since signing, who has he failed?
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Opportunities really, after the Chelsea goal he got 45 mins in the next game at Burnley because doucoure went off injured and then he got hardly any minutes in the next 10
Games, even though we didn’t win any. Chermiti started one game and that was when DCL and Beto were both out injured,
Other than that he was getting a couple of minutes here and there

I’m not really sure dobbin or Chermiti how any of us can tell if they’ve improved. If it wasn’t for PSR I doubt dobbin goes, or if he did, it would Probably be for 5/6 mil not 9
 

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