Yannick Bolasie

[Kev The Rat]

No we weren't

Find me one single quote from someone from Everton who has said this, you won't be able to.

Regardless it's pretty open knowledge we have had some very large bids in place for some very high quality players which have not come to fruition because the players haven't wanted to join. That is enough to tell me the money is there and ready to be spent.

 

[davek]

Not by the club, was it?

We were told by the media and people like Esk etc that we were aiming high with our targets, and that the money to get them wasn't a problem.

As it turns out, I still don't think the money is the issue (we agreed that £25mil fee with Zenit at the start of the window, for example), but our 'draw' certainly is an issue.

We're going for players in their prime years who tbh, quite frankly couldn't care less about a 'project'. They want to be winning things and be at the best clubs. Unfortunately we just aren't there yet.

I still think we have a good chance of getting Mata in because he's been in the Prem years now - knows the club to an extent of how big we are etc, and of course knows and greatly respects Koeman.

Just looking at things objectively.

They want high wages. Something hardly ever factored into claims of how ambitious we can be in the transfer market until very recently it was introduced as a way of explaining inactivity.

Just looking on here from a brief search and the STCC obstacle was only mentioned a month ago but must have been known to be a likely reason why our involvement in significant transfers this summer would be pushed to the back of the transfer window.

A couple of months went by before that when wild ambitions were encouraged - ambitions now being reined in.

 

[Smodger]

I wonder we're about on Koemans list yannick was.

 

[davek]

I would hazard a guess we have made plenty of contact with players throughout the summer, Dave. Problem being Koeman has had to inherit an absolute mess of a club after Roberto has finished with it. 3 years of lack-of-fitness, a squad bereft of morale, containing the likes of Niasse/ Kone/ Cleverley/ McGeady etc. It was never going to be an instant fix- new players weren't going to be attracted to that. You say we have had to wait until selling Stones. We've signed one player since selling him, and as far as I can see that was going to happen at some point regardless this transfer window.

I think he has a rebuilding job because the defence needs gutting and players like Howard, Hibbert and Osman were on their way out as natural wastage.

Koeman has inherited a team that can play with the ball at their feet and are comfortable in possession. He plays a different way so he'll naturally want to evolve the squad that way.

 

[Moomin]

They want high wages. Something hardly ever factored into claims of how ambitious we can be in the transfer market until very recently it was introduced as a way of explaining inactivity.

Just looking on here from a brief search and the STCC obstacle was only mentioned a month ago but must have been known to be a likely reason why our involvement in significant transfers this summer would be pushed to the back of the transfer window.

A couple of months went by before that when wild ambitions were encouraged - ambitions now being reined in.

People have been making excuse after excuse for this poor transfer window. You were banned at the time but we never announced carvalho and Witsel one day due to the Nice terrorist attack, I kid you not.

Pogba not being sold was the last excuse going, erm................. well what is it now?

 

[EvertonRhys]

I think he has a rebuilding job because the defence needs gutting and players like Howard, Hibbert and Osman were on their way out as natural wastage.

Koeman has inherited a team that can play with the ball at their feet and are comfortable in possession. He plays a different way so he'll naturally want to evolve the squad that way.

Can't disagree with that, it will be one hell of a rebuilding. Obviously at the start of the summer, there was a lot hysteria at the potential for us to go out and buy a new team. That was never going to materialise, and is probably something a lot are just realising. I'm in no doubt though that the money is there, but it's simply a case of the talent we can afford, aren't interested. Why come to a club for a couple of years while it's being rebuilt when you can go to another team in the league, for similar money and have a better chance of success?

I think that's our issue now. Maybe we need to focus on players slightly below that top bracket, get a good coverage across the team and put faith in Koeman getting the max out of the players he has. Then once things are stabalised, we can utilise the funds we have effectively.

 

[Thomasc]

People have been making excuse after excuse for this poor transfer window. You were banned at the time but we never announced carvalho and Witsel one day due to the Nice terrorist attack, I kid you not.

Pogba not being sold was the last excuse going, erm................. well what is it now?

Mosh lost the cheque book?

 

[BlueToff]

Mate we all the right to form our own view and to move off the splintered fence occasionally.

My view is that the club deliberately leaked stories to suggest we had big hopes and in doing so intentionally raised expectations. They've since cocked up time after time and let Ronald down hugely. Now they are frantically trying to lower hopes as they go for substantially lower calibre players. Only big name signings can salvage this window.

Of course, everybody's right to have an opinion.

What I don't agree with is people acting like Mosh, Koeman and Kenwright came out and said 'yeh, we're signing superstars'...

It didn't happen. It's not a conspiracy theory.

I've said all along that I for one, while I think there's been significant funds made available for transfers and that's backed up by us agreeing deals long before we sold Stones, think Moshir's '100mil' was an investment in the club, as a whole - e.g. Wiping out debt, the stadium renovations, the new stadium plans progressing, improvements into FF (buying FF outright), management structure etc etc

I am extremely frustrated with the lack of progress on 'major' deals, but I'm not writing anything off just yet.

And no, you're again showing your complete and utter naivety about 'big names'. Players that improve the team first and foremost. If they happen to be a big name, sound. IMO we've already improved ten fold on last year by having a manager who is on the next level to what we had before.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Of course, everybody's right to have an opinion.

What I don't agree with is people acting like Mosh, Koeman and Kenwright came out and said 'yeh, we're signing superstars'...

It didn't happen. It's not a conspiracy theory.

I've said all along that I for one, while I think there's been significant funds made available for transfers and that's backed up by us agreeing deals long before we sold Stones, think Moshir's '100mil' was an investment in the club, as a whole - e.g. Wiping out debt, the stadium renovations, the new stadium plans progressing, improvements into FF (buying FF outright), management structure etc etc

I am extremely frustrated with the lack of progress on 'major' deals, but I'm not writing anything off just yet.

And no, you're again showing your complete and utter naivety about 'big names'. Players that improve the team first and foremost. If they happen to be a big name, sound. IMO we've already improved ten fold on last year by having a manager who is on the next level to what we had before.

Our manager is potentially great but we haven't backed him. Any wonder he was so miffed today.

 

[carolinablue232]

Any actual news on this one today? Seems quiet again.

 

[BlueToff]

They want high wages. Something hardly ever factored into claims of how ambitious we can be in the transfer market until very recently it was introduced as a way of explaining inactivity.

Just looking on here from a brief search and the STCC obstacle was only mentioned a month ago but must have been known to be a likely reason why our involvement in significant transfers this summer would be pushed to the back of the transfer window.

A couple of months went by before that when wild ambitions were encouraged - ambitions now being reined in.

While wages I do think will be a bit of an issue without having increased our revenue (which we now have) we obviously had the money available based solely on the fact that we offered Witsel a deal which I quote 'blew everybody else out of water.' That came from the Italian side as well as the Russian side...

At the end of the day - in this example - he didn't want to join a club that has been tosh for two seasons and has a large rebuild on their hands overall (a project, if you will). The quality players in their prime 27-30 (which is what we need to improve) want success and quickly - it's not always about money

 

[Moomin]

Mosh lost the cheque book?

Seriously, I think people got over excited and we have gone for high class calibre players who don't just want a dream.

Bolaisse, Williams are the type of signings needed now. Mata, Witsel next season when we have European football to offer hopefully.

 

[BlueToff]

Our manager is potentially great but we haven't backed him. Any wonder he was so miffed today.

You're reading way too much into it if you think he's going into his first presser looking miserable because we haven't signed a load of people we were rumoured to be after on the internet... (barring in mind we signed one of our targets yesterday).

 

[BlueToff]

Seriously, I think people got over excited and we have gone for high class calibre players who don't just want a dream.

Bolaisse, Williams are the type of signings needed now. Mata, Witsel next season when we have European football to offer hopefully.

I think we can still get Mata - and as I said I think that's down to a few factors. Him knowing the league, seemingly Mourinho will never like him as a player, him by all accounts well settled in the area (and the UK in general) and having come through under Koeman.

I think it'll still be a hard sell if he has others on the table but I do think it's achievable.

We can't know for sure until it ticks past midnight on August 31st/Sept 1st though

 

[davek]

Can't disagree with that, it will be one hell of a rebuilding. Obviously at the start of the summer, there was a lot hysteria at the potential for us to go out and buy a new team. That was never going to materialise, and is probably something a lot are just realising. I'm in no doubt though that the money is there, but it's simply a case of the talent we can afford, aren't interested. Why come to a club for a couple of years while it's being rebuilt when you can go to another team in the league, for similar money and have a better chance of success?I think that's our issue now. Maybe we need to focus on players slightly below that top bracket, get a good coverage across the team and put faith in Koeman getting the max out of the players he has. Then once things are stabalised, we can utilise the funds we have effectively.

I think that'll be a necessity rather than a virtue. Wages are a finite and a couple of genuine marquee signings will blow most of the £38M received off the Stones sale after Barnsley got their cut.