Are we at the stage where we consider a mass rebuild in the next 7 days or not? Stick or twist?

[knowing your history]

He doesn’t leak 3 plus goals every time he is on the pitch though does he.

He is an England international who can play a particular system much like Harry Maguire.

Is he a top class CB no. Is he a PL defender for a lower half team at wages befitting that? Yes.

Our problem is that we have him on wages which resemble a CL defender when he is closer to a championship defender than CL

Why would a club pay a fee for him though when they can just sign him for nothing next summer?

Next summer is the ideal time to reset. New stadium and all of Keane, Holgate, Coleman, Young, Gana, Doucs, DCL....and Dyche out of contract so that's the big opportunity to refresh the club regardless of the division it's in.

 

[UltraVires]

No he’s not an England international. He was once an England international for a brief window of time. That was 4 years ago and has NO relevance to the current year 2024.

But to clarify, he has an England cap? Yes?

 

[Goat]

But we quite literally did have them all at the start of the 2022/23 season?

Centre Backs (4)
James Tarkowski (HG)
Michael Keane (HG)
Ben Godfrey (HG)
Jarrad Branthwaite (UA)

These are the CBs we had 1st September 2023.

Goats squad analysis thread 2023/24

Manager : Sean Dyche Goalkeepers (3) Jordan Pickford (HG) Andy Lonergan (HG) João Virgínia (HG) Right Backs (2) Séamus Coleman Nathan Patterson (UA) Left Backs (2) Ashley Young (HG) Vitaliy Mykolenko Centre Backs (4) James Tarkowski (HG) Michael Keane (HG) Ben Godfrey (HG) Jarrad Branthwaite...

www.grandoldteam.com

 

[MikeH72]

But to clarify, he has an England cap? Yes?

Yes? And what?

 

[MikeH72]

Centre Backs (4)
James Tarkowski (HG)
Michael Keane (HG)
Ben Godfrey (HG)
Jarrad Branthwaite (UA)

These are the CBs we had 1st September 2023.

But Lampard wasn’t our manager in September 2023 was he? I’m talking specifically about the 2022/23 season when Keane was frozen out and clearly not wanted by the manager. Why are you now talking about last season?

 

[UltraVires]

Why would a club pay a fee for him though when they can just sign him for nothing next summer?

Next summer is the ideal time to reset. New stadium and all of Keane, Holgate, Coleman, Young, Gana, Doucs, DCL....and Dyche out of contract so that's the big opportunity to refresh the club regardless of the division it's in.

I don’t disagree with you but if you were a Leicester or a Southampton and thought you needed an experienced player to help you stay in the league, £5m is peanuts for that player.

Not saying Keane, Holgate or Maupay would single handedly keep a team in the PL but they could play a part and if they don’t go, they will have to play a part in keeping us in the league.

 

[Goat]

But Lampard wasn’t our manager in September 2023 was he? I’m talking specifically about the 2022/23 season when Keane was frozen out and clearly not wanted by the manager. Why are you now talking about last season?

Ok, I got my dates wrong, you need to calm down Mike.

 

[MikeH72]

Ok, I got my dates wrong, you need to calm down Mike.

So we are in agreement that Lampard didn’t want Michael Keane? Phew.

 

[UltraVires]

Yes? And what?

Thanks for contributing responding

 

[Goat]

So we are in agreement that Lampard didn’t want Michael Keane? Phew.

No, we arent.

Hes started 2 games this season, so regardless, hes not currently surplus.

 

[UltraVires]

No, we arent.

Hes started 2 games this season, so regardless, hes not currently surplus.

May as well debate with a mirror than Mike. More factual discussion too

 

[MikeH72]

No, we arent.

Hes started 2 games this season, so regardless, hes not currently surplus.

Well yeah, he’s Dyche’s mate isn’t he.

There was a time when we had a manager who didn’t want him and would’ve sold him. We had no interest sadly.

 

[MikeH72]

May as well debate with a mirror than Mike. More factual discussion too

I’ve literally only put out factual information during this entire discussion. You’re the one who’s been making stuff up. Sorry.

 

[Goat]

Well yeah, he’s Dyche’s mate isn’t he.

There was a time when we had a manager who didn’t want him and would’ve sold him. We had no interest sadly.

Well he could have got rid of Doucs and Keane and made himself a hero.

 

[MikeH72]

Well he could have got rid of Doucs and Keane and made himself a hero.

He could’ve done, if we had a single offer for them. Sadly we can’t just give players to clubs.