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Are we at the stage where we consider a mass rebuild in the next 7 days or not? Stick or twist?

UltraVires said:
I was just thinking to myself about the players that we all think are pretty much surplus to requirements or we may need to cash in on to improve the club overall. Below I have come up with a list of players, the fee we might be able to get at short notice and what we would save on wages if they left based on estimated wages found online:
  • Michael Keane: Fee £5m and est wages of £3,848,000
  • Mason Holgate: Fee £5m and est wages of £3,848,000
  • Abdoulaye Doucoure: Fee £15m and est wages of £6,240,000
  • Jarrad Branthwaite: Fee £60m and est wages of £2,080,000
  • Dominic Calvert Lewin: Fee £15m and est wages of £6,240,000
  • Neal Maupay: Fee £5m and est wages of £2,080,000
Total Transfer Fees: £105m

Total Wages saved this season: £24.336m

If you assume we may get a downpayment of 20% of the transfer fees (seems to be the going rate) that would be £21m in cash right now plus a saving of the committed wages of £24.336, making a total of £45.336m cash in the bank to spend before the deadline.

If we put 20% down like most teams seem to do that could mean that in the last week of the window, we could feasibly buy players for a combined fee of over £226m inc their wage commitments for the season.

Obviously, these are just basic numbers on the back of a cig packet sort of thing but I was asking myself the question of whether I think it would be worth having a mass sale this week (with the upheaval that brings in terms of our next few fixtures while they settle) just so that we can get the overall squad in a stronger position to try and give us some optimism going into the season as a whole.

Would you be happy with selling them all and would you trust Thelwell to spend that money on that many players in such a short space of time and get it right?
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Yea I totally agree with this and tbh I would trust Thelwell it’s dyche I don’t trust you could get him 10 new players he wouldn’t play them

But if doing ( in theory) if the above was able to happen I would do it in a heartbeat as much I would hate to lose branthwite I think it would be more beneficial for us

Don’t think it would happen and I wouldn’t trust dyche
 
Goat said:
Hes never been frozen out, hes always stayed around the squad, either as back up CB or first choice.
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I don’t think Lampard fought to keep him. I think it’s far more likely that nobody has ever bid for him, as there has never been interest reported. He’s bad at football so I don’t know why you’d find this so hard to believe.
 
MikeH72 said:
But he isn’t? He once played for England yes, that’s not at all the same thing.
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So he is an England international.

Where did I say he was a current England player?

Point is that at one point in time he was deemed worthy of playing for his country which says he has some quality about him whether you want to overlook it or not
 
MikeH72 said:
I don’t think Lampard fought to keep him. I think it’s far more likely that nobody has ever bid for him, as there has never been interest reported. He’s bad at football so I don’t know why you’d find this so hard to believe.
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Cos people seem to think we only need 2 CBs in a squad.
 

UltraVires said:
So he is an England international.

Where did I say he was a current England player?

Point is that at one point in time he was deemed worthy of playing for his country which says he has some quality about him whether you want to overlook it or not
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Why does nobody want him then? If he was once good enough to play for England against Kosovo, why aren’t loads of clubs banging down the door for him as he’s available for cheap?
 
Vortexgaz said:
Yea I totally agree with this and tbh I would trust Thelwell it’s dyche I don’t trust you could get him 10 new players he wouldn’t play them

But if doing ( in theory) if the above was able to happen I would do it in a heartbeat as much I would hate to lose branthwite I think it would be more beneficial for us

Don’t think it would happen and I wouldn’t trust dyche
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Thanks for the constructive response based in reality and sadly you are probably right about Dyche
 
UltraVires said:
I was just thinking to myself about the players that we all think are pretty much surplus to requirements or we may need to cash in on to improve the club overall. Below I have come up with a list of players, the fee we might be able to get at short notice and what we would save on wages if they left based on estimated wages found online:
  • Michael Keane: Fee £5m and est wages of £3,848,000
  • Mason Holgate: Fee £5m and est wages of £3,848,000
  • Abdoulaye Doucoure: Fee £15m and est wages of £6,240,000
  • Jarrad Branthwaite: Fee £60m and est wages of £2,080,000
  • Dominic Calvert Lewin: Fee £15m and est wages of £6,240,000
  • Neal Maupay: Fee £5m and est wages of £2,080,000
Total Transfer Fees: £105m

Total Wages saved this season: £24.336m

If you assume we may get a downpayment of 20% of the transfer fees (seems to be the going rate) that would be £21m in cash right now plus a saving of the committed wages of £24.336, making a total of £45.336m cash in the bank to spend before the deadline.

If we put 20% down like most teams seem to do that could mean that in the last week of the window, we could feasibly buy players for a combined fee of over £226m inc their wage commitments for the season.

Obviously, these are just basic numbers on the back of a cig packet sort of thing but I was asking myself the question of whether I think it would be worth having a mass sale this week (with the upheaval that brings in terms of our next few fixtures while they settle) just so that we can get the overall squad in a stronger position to try and give us some optimism going into the season as a whole.

Would you be happy with selling them all and would you trust Thelwell to spend that money on that many players in such a short space of time and get it right?
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Mate, it’s bank holiday weekend, go for a pint or walk the dog or something… don’t do this to yourself
 

MikeH72 said:
Why does nobody want him then? If he was once good enough to play for England against Kosovo, why aren’t loads of clubs banging down the door for him as he’s available for cheap?
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So you are now switching your argument to asking why nobody wants him?

Is he an England international or not? You just proven you can’t keep a coherent argument for more than 2 posts consecutively.
 
Kurt. said:
Mate, it’s bank holiday weekend, go for a pint or walk the dog or something… don’t do this to yourself
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Haha that’s totally fair, I was having a nice walk on a Sunday when I was thinking this through which probably is a sign of how much sort of thing weighs on us all as fans
 
UltraVires said:
So you are now switching your argument to asking why nobody wants him?

Is he an England international or not? You just proven you can’t keep a coherent argument for more than 2 posts consecutively.
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No he’s not an England international. He was once an England international for a brief window of time. That was 4 years ago and has NO relevance to the current year 2024.
 
Goat said:
Again, they probably did, but Lampard wanted to keep him.

Its been only Everton fans that wanted rid of Keane for the last 3 years, I doubt there has been any desire from Everton to sell.
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Tbh I don't think anyone wanted to buy him either, he is very limited and one paced and doesn't help that he turns like the Queen Mary.
 

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