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What did a Moyes team win us? Nothing. What did a Martinez team win us? Nothing.


I'm more than willing to give this team a shot. At the very least it's marginalizing or getting rid of a lot of players that won the square root of feck all. I am NOT enamored with the absolute obsession they seem to have with Gylfi as I think there is far better value out there for the money being quoted(just not in the PL).
 
Zatara said:
Lukaku is really well known here in Asia....
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Fair enough. I have no experience to dispute but could it be that you normally talk to people within your own world that also follow the sport as closely as you seem to?

When I say global name I mean even people in the farming community that I'm a part of in the rural midwest of the USA know who Messi, Ronaldo, Rooney etc. are. They know the names Pele and Maradona. These are what I think of when I think global names. Lukaku is no where near that imo, in talent or name recognition.
 
The binman chronicles said:
Sandro may turn out to be the next Lukaku, remember it was just us and WBA after him when we got him.

Keane I think is better than Stones, we've got Morgan to pick the ball up from the defenders and start spraying it around.

Del was a risk, could he handle it in this league? Perhaps he is a cut above Bolasie but just not in the PL.

For Ross he was one of ours so see Dowell, Davies and the young ones we bought in DCL, Lookman, Onyekuru etc.

I'm not going to say I'm happy with the stars we have, athough we have got one in Rooney. Everyone here wants more but to get them you have to have the league finish or have won something. That's why we have a team that can compete for starters, we can then bejazzle the playing staff over the next few years if we continue to look the business.
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Seems like that is the plan. But why wait? Our name is in lights now...Rooney...lots of signings...why not make big moves now?

Were not getting top 4 with this squad this season...

GlosBlue said:
The attack is far superior to anything Moyes had. Not necessarily down to him but more a lack of funds. To be fair I wouldn't mind a Moyes defence! I think this team is much better than his with small exceptions here and there e.g. Arteta and Cahill. Plus I think there will be a few more in. Plus the youth team is much more successful now and providing good competition for places.
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Pickford+ Coleman/Kenny + Keane/Holgate = 3 positions sorted. But why haven't we gone for a left centre back and a left back to replace baines and Williams...the signings so far have been sensible but not strengthening here seems daft.

Not going to cost Sigurdsson money either unless we go for immediate world class :)

killenefc said:
For gods sake people we will come out of this a better TEAM and SQUAD.


Also this.
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No-one has said we wont ;)
 

@Zatara i don't disagree with you too much.....well not as much as some, but here I think you are way off. We knew Barkley was going and now it is confirmed. No change from this morning or yesterday, last week or last month. I am surprised the confirmation has had such an impact on you.

I am not yet convinced we have a better team than last year but that is largely because I do not have a strong view on Pickford, Klasson, Sandro and Henry. Rooney and Keane are known positives for me. So I am not too disappointed yet. Let's see where we sit after a few months.

There is also a reasonable amount of time left in the window to make further positive signings and positive outgoings.

Let's hold our nerve a bit.
 
Not that I'm agreeing with Zat but quite a few people on here saying the likes of Stones is over rated and Del is useless, are the same ones who said Stones will be the future England captain and worried a few seasons about Del being bought back.

Fast forward a few seasons and you have all turned. Just like when Martinez came in he was the new hero and much better than Moyes.

Remember this, you will all turn on Koeman in the end.
 

riddick said:
What did a Moyes team win us? Nothing. What did a Martinez team win us? Nothing.


I'm more than willing to give this team a shot. At the very least it's marginalizing or getting rid of a lot of players that won the square root of feck all. I am NOT enamored with the absolute obsession they seem to have with Gylfi as I think there is far better value out there for the money being quoted(just not in the PL).
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If you were going to strengthen one area of the side with 50mil what would you use it on?

Personally id go for a superstar defender...cheaper, huge name to attract other players and massively improves our defence.


VentureBrosEFC said:
Fair enough. I have no experience to dispute but could it be that you normally talk to people within your own world that also follow the sport as closely as you seem to?

When I say global name I mean even people in the farming community that I'm a part of in the rural midwest of the USA know who Messi, Ronaldo, Rooney etc. are. They know the names Pele and Maradona. These are what I think of when I think global names. Lukaku is no where near that imo, in talent or name recognition.
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Premier league watchers in bars or those who randomly ask me about football...even in places which follow US sports more.

All know Lukaku...none of our other players but they know him. Not many knew rooney was a former player.
 
formerly manx toffee said:
@Zatara i don't disagree with you too much.....well not as much as some, but here I think you are way off. We knew Barkley was going and now it is confirmed. No change from this morning or yesterday, last week or last month. I am surprised the confirmation has had such an impact on you.

I am not yet convinced we have a better team than last year but that is largely because I do not have a strong view on Pickford, Klasson, Sandro and Henry. Rooney and Keane are known positives for me. So I am not too disappointed yet. Let's see where we sit after a few months.

There is also a reasonable amount of time left in the window to make further positive signings and positive outgoings.

Let's hold our nerve a bit.
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It's just the same thing for 12months now...we think someone may go but hope its not true...then theyre gone.
We replace them with semi-sensible or sensible signings

And repeat

I'm excited to see the kids develop...im chuffed with a couple of the signings weve made...but wheres the star names joining?
 
Moomin said:
Not that I'm agreeing with Zat but quite a few people on here saying the likes of Stones is over rated and Del is useless, are the same ones who said Stones will be the future England captain and worried a few seasons about Del being bought back.

Fast forward a few seasons and you have all turned. Just like when Martinez came in he was the new hero and much better than Moyes.

Remember this, you will all turn on Koeman in the end.
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It would be interesting to see a poll of who praised Martinez after season 1 and whose praising koeman now and slating Martinez.

I wonder what would be the reaction if we dropped a couple of places next season....
 
Zatara said:
I think the sad thing is that weve lost Stones and despite knowing we have Jagielka and Baines pushing it we went and added in Williams. The signings of Keane and Pickford are a huge improvement on keeper and 2nd best centre back but we need a top centre back
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Lot more being posted but of what you saying I align most to this. Lukaku leaving does leave a gaping hole now that Maybe Rooney/Sandro can fill.

But the most pressing issue coming out of last season was the need for a new CB pairing. Unlike many who have jumped on the bandwagon I thought and still think Stones is an excellent player and will become the main CB for England for years to come. If he doesn't the system needs to look at itself. He was brilliant at 19 and that level of class does not get worse, it might get lost in a system that can't grow and nurture it or tries to change it.

Saying that will we go for a whole new pairing this year, I doubt it. They will want to bed in Keane first, with williams and give Holgate another year to develop. It might be that Holgate and Keane are the future. If so that is awesome! To break top 4 this year we would need to pair Keane with a VVD level player. Keane alone is not a glamorous signing, let's be fair none of them are apart from Rooney, but he might be very astute.. which is how I rate all of them.
 

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