Back to a David Moyes team

[bizzaro]

This has to become the tagline to shut @Zatara down whenever he comes up with another ridiculous thread like this.





............"Jewels"............

Looks like Zatara's been kicked in the Jewels....

 

[peteblue]

I think Rooney will have a great season. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he outscored Lukaku........vault me.....

 

[Petit]

One thing I will agree with @Zatara on is that we lack matchwinners in the squad. We could do with one attacking player with a bit of star quality coming in now that we´ve sold Lukaku. Team looks a bit too "steady Eddy" for my liking atm. A Dele Ali, Couthino or Hazard of our own.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

To be fair those were the players who we all pinned our hopes on, the ones to build our team around and for one magical season it seemed to work out quite well.

But like you say for a multitude of reasons they didn't deliver on the promise or had already started thinking of things away from Everton. From the results we have put out in preseason it looks like we won't miss any of them too much.

Hopefully by the time Barkley has been sold we will have had the best part of £170M from them which has rebuilt our team into something that looks a bit more solid, so for that I thank them.

True mate, we did have all our hopes on them yet they delivered sweet FA. Every during that one magical season (which I'm sorry to say was nothing of the sort) we achieved nothing other then 5th. Somthing that Moyes and his team of hardworking journeyman did twice and better it.

 

[edge]

You can't really say that about Lukaku, who was the best striker to play for the club in my lifetime. Bar maybe lineker but I don't remember that.

Seen both mate , Lineker was on a different planet to Rom in front of goal, he would have run amok with the present rules, saying that he played in better teams, but as a pure goalscorer he on a totally different class

We had at least one world class player when we won titles, Nev, Ball, Young/Vernon. We don't have any now, but I feel far more confident with our current team and manager (who initially I wasn't in favour of) than I have for years. Our 80's champions knew how to put in a bit of effort, Barkley would not have got into that side, and for me that's the only way to judge a player...... who would have got into our 80's or 60's team......

Thing is Pete with the exception of Bally the other world class players were not rated as such when we bought them, we might be able to do it again hopefully

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Now would also seem an apt opportunity to revisit this by @catcherintherye

https://www.grandoldteam.com/2017/07/06/the-fab-4/

 

[The binman chronicles]

We wont get the world class level players but should aim for those who are 'attainable' like VVD or Koulibaly etc or those we can polish a bit and hope they get to that level like the RS did with Suarez.

Currently I don't see that with the 22-29 age group

Agreed but it's all about progression, maybe next summer if we fluke a trophy or fourth we can look to get those type of players. The foundations seem a bit better at least, so the next additions should start to have the X factor about them.

 

[Zatara]

Sooner have a team ,than a clutch of stars that have bottled it every time they got anywhere near getting this club a trophy or gave the likes of the top teams a game.
This club has been to easily pleased for decades , we need winners not dreamers or bluff merchant s.
Stones well , still doing daft things that can't be passed off as he is still learning.
Del , well if you want a star that plays for 50 minutes every 6 games there's your man.
Barkley well ,who knows isn't taking the next step., and still picks the wrong pass as much as the right pass.
Rom , yes a star , but we were set up to play to him , and to easy to counter when he wasn't in the mood, only one I would have kept, suspect if he has two good years at unt he will start his games again to get a move.
We need to get a decent core together then add to it , looks like that's what the manager is doing.

That definitely looks to be the plan. Put together a decent core with half a team of stable players, some experience and a couple of kids.

It does appear to be workmanlike to me or perhaps a 7/10 team every week but we haven't replaced sales with 'stars' who can really deliver top performances.

I didn't actually think this was that bad a thread tbh

If after Martinez's first season you said to a blue "all four of those players will be sold by end of summer 2017" you'd think it would only be because we'd financially imploded or got relegated.

From a business point of view, if you said in 2013/14 or whatever "we will make £170m+ profit on those four" you'd have been shocked

Its insane how a couple of seasons changes everything...from Moyes workmanlike teams to Martinez and potential superstars to now looking like another relatively new beast. I wonder which way Ronald will go...

You can't really say that about Lukaku, who was the best striker to play for the club in my lifetime. Bar maybe lineker but I don't remember that.

Top player and a global name as well. Not been replaced.

Yup......Both upgrades !

Id have Stones Barkley Deulofeu over Williams Sigurdsson Bolasie and Rooney

Why would you go back to those discussions? It's not about previous achievements but rather a desire to succeed in the future, laying out that plan committing to it and then walking the way you talk and vice versa. The players he has brought in have for the most part massively backed themselves and that says a lot about the new mindset that he is bringing in / instilling.

Keane: Could've resigned with Utd, chose to forge his own path.

Sandro: Cast off by his old club he could've warmed bench at Valencia, Atl. Madrid, Sevilla etc.(out of spain) because his stock was so low but he chose first team football and killed it for a distinctly average Malaga side.

Klaassen: Been a leader forever it seems. Captain of Ajax at 22 and leaves his cushy life to test himself and achieve more while going massively down the pecking order compared to his old club.

Cant fault the attitude of these new players...not at all. They would be the stable players who can be consistent each week. But which one will become a global name like Lukaku or a fan favourite or a potential world class defender....

None of them imo...theyre all stable signings...

 

[Brownie]

Moyes made a pretty good team out of not much money. That team got old and needed replacing, but Martinez didn't really have much money either so relied on young players and Wigan, which worked for a while then went tits up. Then Koeman came in and patched up the failing Martinez team, and now he's been given the money to make a new team, similar to what Moyes did in 2007.

In that sense I think Zat is about right to be honest. We're still lacking that real quality in the forward positions that all the top teams have.

 

[ilikecheese]

Not sure how anyone could rate any of those four players as 'stars' other than Rom. Even then he's a massively flawed 'star'.

Young players with potential will always be overrated. If you pin all of your hopes on them and they don't realize that potential it gets you sacked.

 

[jinkyali]

That definitely looks to be the plan. Put together a decent core with half a team of stable players, some experience and a couple of kids.

It does appear to be workmanlike to me or perhaps a 7/10 team every week but we haven't replaced sales with 'stars' who can really deliver top performances.




Its insane how a couple of seasons changes everything...from Moyes workmanlike teams to Martinez and potential superstars to now looking like another relatively new beast. I wonder which way Ronald will go...



Top player and a global name as well. Not been replaced.



Id have Stones Barkley Deulofeu over Williams Sigurdsson Bolasie and Rooney




Cant fault the attitude of these new players...not at all. They would be the stable players who can be consistent each week. But which one will become a global name like Lukaku or a fan favourite or a potential world class defender....

None of them imo...theyre all stable signings...

Didn't we score more goals last year than in many years?
Rooney is a huge name

 

[edge]

Moyes made a pretty good team out of not much money. That team got old and needed replacing, but Martinez didn't really have much money either so relied on young players and Wigan, which worked for a while then went tits up. Then Koeman came in and patched up the failing Martinez team, and now he's been given the money to make a new team, similar to what Moyes did in 2007.

In that sense I think Zat is about right to be honest. We're still lacking that real quality in the forward positions that all the top teams have.

He is right we need a touch of class up front , and possibly a silky midfielder to go up a level.
Hopefully that will come.

 

[Timak]

I've said from the start that Koeman is Dutch Moyes. Not a bad thing, I was a huge admirer of the work Moyes did for us.

You give him an unlimited budget and the rights to sign whoever he likes and he gets some defensive midfielders, some experienced defenders and big, strong attackers.

He phases out players he can't trust to play in his way and has a very fixed idea of what he wants his players to do.

Personally I want more from a manager given the backing he is getting, time will tell.

 

[Debunkology]

Stones, overated. Not world class.
Barkley, overated. Not world class.
Deulofeu, overated. Not world class.
Lukaku, great goalscorer, who has yet to prove himself in big games. Not a complete player, but has the chance to push on at United.

England had the "golden generation". What did they achieve? IMO Barkley and Stones have been overhyped thru the media.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

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