@PaddyJames basically Chris liked Environmentalism before it was cool. Now it's just sold out.My problem is that I've been banging this drum to deaf ears for forty years. Back then moderation would have sufficed. Suddenly, once governments, consumerist zdvertising and big businesses that are largely responsible for causing this mess realised ithat the environment can be used as a cynical selling point or justification to raise taxes. They weaponise it. People lap it up, hand over their cash, make countless token sacrifices (like this) while still pursuing their high energy, high carbon (sic) lifestyles with dishwashers, air conditioners, jet Holidays, SUVs, wanting and getting fruit delivered from the other side of the planet out of season , using a car to 'nip down the road' . They leave no end of gadgets, tvs, chargers plugged in on standby.
Why do they do it? Its not that they're evil, its that they're too damned blind to see the damage they do, or they're too selfish.
This gesture is insignificant in the scheme of things - its just there for the sake of club image. Its a cynical appeal to people's conscience as much as churches appeal to peoples sense of fear and it pisses me off. And do you know the worst thing? I genuinely think that we're too late to make a difference. The climate is going to change to the point where it can't support the out of sight web of interconnected life that supports our population. With warming shutting off the North Atlantic drift we face a very real prospect of plunging densely populated areas into an ice age that will make many countries uninhabitable. THEN people will have to start moving en-mass across borders to stay alive, THEN the shooting will start, THEN humans will probably bring the end of the planet as we know it. I hope every day that I'm wrong, I really do - but the signs ain't good.
40 years ago it was getting too late. Be arsed with the self-righteous bell-whiffery of big businesses using the environment to look good now. Just fry up a steak - after all, global meat and dairy production isn't responsible for 86% of the global CO2 output (its even less significant if you factor in natural emissions such as volcanism by the way) and enjoy the inevitable ride to the end.
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Yarrgh
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On the other hand, so what if the earth heats up and the life on it changes beyond recognition or even vanishes? On the cosmic scale of things, maybe that's the normal way of things? Obviously as an inhabitant of the planet with a vested interest in its long term viability for life due to having a kid and family, I'd rather keep a form of stasis that allows us to thrive, but I do wonder if trying to keep the planet in some pristine form is an super form of gammonism that is yet to reveal itself.
TLDR: perhaps Chelsea and Spurs are perversions of nature?
TLDR: perhaps Chelsea and Spurs are perversions of nature?
California has tremendous water issues, as do many parts of Australia. Mexico City has tremendous water issues. Israel is one of the most water-stressed (yet advanced) countries in the world. Obviously the Arab states are starved of water yet incredibly wealthy. Just because we don't have a problem so much in Europe doesn't mean many places in the world aren't struggling, and it's not generally as a result of them being "under-developed".
I'm not sure I get this Chris. Even if you take a fatalist approach to climate change, the deforestation caused by agricultural practices is causing 50,000 species per year to go extinct. If you're the environmentalist you suggest you are then surely that's something we should look to address? (I'm not saying this measure by the football club is doing that incidentally, but you seem to be dismissing that meat eating has any environmental impact so we should stop with such pointless gesturing)My problem is that I've been banging this drum to deaf ears for forty years. Back then moderation would have sufficed. Suddenly, once governments, consumerist zdvertising and big businesses that are largely responsible for causing this mess realised ithat the environment can be used as a cynical selling point or justification to raise taxes. They weaponise it. People lap it up, hand over their cash, make countless token sacrifices (like this) while still pursuing their high energy, high carbon (sic) lifestyles with dishwashers, air conditioners, jet Holidays, SUVs, wanting and getting fruit delivered from the other side of the planet out of season , using a car to 'nip down the road' . They leave no end of gadgets, tvs, chargers plugged in on standby.
Why do they do it? Its not that they're evil, its that they're too damned blind to see the damage they do, or they're too selfish.
This gesture is insignificant in the scheme of things - its just there for the sake of club image. Its a cynical appeal to people's conscience as much as churches appeal to peoples sense of fear and it pisses me off. And do you know the worst thing? I genuinely think that we're too late to make a difference. The climate is going to change to the point where it can't support the out of sight web of interconnected life that supports our population. With warming shutting off the North Atlantic drift we face a very real prospect of plunging densely populated areas into an ice age that will make many countries uninhabitable. THEN people will have to start moving en-mass across borders to stay alive, THEN the shooting will start, THEN humans will probably bring the end of the planet as we know it. I hope every day that I'm wrong, I really do - but the signs ain't good.
40 years ago it was getting too late. Be arsed with the self-righteous bell-whiffery of big businesses using the environment to look good now. Just fry up a steak - after all, global meat and dairy production isn't responsible for 86% of the global CO2 output (its even less significant if you factor in natural emissions such as volcanism by the way) and enjoy the inevitable ride to the end.
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Deforestation: Clearing The Path For Wildlife Extinctions
As the population of the world grows, more mouths to feed means more land needed for agriculture. Where will the land come from? From the denudation of forests, of course.Rather than focusing on
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PaddyJames
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I'm not reading that I'm too busy. SozMy problem is that I've been banging this drum to deaf ears for forty years. Back then moderation would have sufficed. Suddenly, once governments, consumerist zdvertising and big businesses that are largely responsible for causing this mess realised ithat the environment can be used as a cynical selling point or justification to raise taxes. They weaponise it. People lap it up, hand over their cash, make countless token sacrifices (like this) while still pursuing their high energy, high carbon (sic) lifestyles with dishwashers, air conditioners, jet Holidays, SUVs, wanting and getting fruit delivered from the other side of the planet out of season , using a car to 'nip down the road' . They leave no end of gadgets, tvs, chargers plugged in on standby.
Why do they do it? Its not that they're evil, its that they're too damned blind to see the damage they do, or they're too selfish.
This gesture is insignificant in the scheme of things - its just there for the sake of club image. Its a cynical appeal to people's conscience as much as churches appeal to peoples sense of fear and it pisses me off. And do you know the worst thing? I genuinely think that we're too late to make a difference. The climate is going to change to the point where it can't support the out of sight web of interconnected life that supports our population. With warming shutting off the North Atlantic drift we face a very real prospect of plunging densely populated areas into an ice age that will make many countries uninhabitable. THEN people will have to start moving en-mass across borders to stay alive, THEN the shooting will start, THEN humans will probably bring the end of the planet as we know it. I hope every day that I'm wrong, I really do - but the signs ain't good.
40 years ago it was getting too late. Be arsed with the self-righteous bell-whiffery of big businesses using the environment to look good now. Just fry up a steak - after all, global meat and dairy production isn't responsible for 86% of the global CO2 output (its even less significant if you factor in natural emissions such as volcanism by the way) and enjoy the inevitable ride to the end.
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EDIT: I did read it. I felt bad for dismissing it. I don't think you have the slightest idea about change. I spent 4 years on a ranch as an actual cowboy near Casper. I know what the land needs and it doesn't. The world doesn't need tories or republicans.
But will we be able to still get a burger at the match tho?
barneygumble
Player Valuation: £60m
Just an idea on this, why don’t they just give vouchers out, to incentive “green” match days.
Everyone gets £2 off a pint or a free Pie or something, you know, something which will get the fans on board regardless?
Forcing being “green” on people isn’t going to make them green
Everyone gets £2 off a pint or a free Pie or something, you know, something which will get the fans on board regardless?
Forcing being “green” on people isn’t going to make them green
dead_soft
Player Valuation: £35m
It will though. Not in these one off ways but people should be forced to go green. If you block off the roads for miles up to Goodison people are forced to not drive all the way.
I wonder if it all kicked - off outside the ground between fans would those riding their bikes have lances and start jousting!
Yarrgh
Player Valuation: £70m
Yes. Yes they would. And not those plastic disposable lances, reusable ones made out of wood from a sustainable local forest.
FrenchDarrenBent
Player Valuation: £20m
This.
It's nice but pointless. It's all pies, sausages and beer in two weeks time.
chrismpw
Player Valuation: £70m
I know all this- of course. But the message is being spouted here in the, let's face it, impressionable UK, where water use to rear livestock is absolutely not an issue. The trouble is with the UK is that we bend over backwards to accommodate minority groups and normalise extremist ideas, justifying it with disingenuous use of statistics - not many other countries are the slightest bit interested in vegetarianism in their culture - ask my veggie wife who struggles to eat anywhere else she travelled (other than India).
I think Chelsea and Spurs should take the message of not eating meat and cycling to those water-deprived countries instead - because you know, other countries love being told what to do with their resources. I think their campaign managers would have their eyes and minds abruptly opened by the response they'd get.
That would be fine if the UK was self-sufficient in terms of its meat consumption, but we import around 35% of the meat we consume.
chrismpw
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Simply because its cheaper that way - which doesn't make it right. We brits don't like to undercharge. Especially if land owners can be subsidised for sitting on their thumb rather than doing something useful!
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