He called for Arsenal, RS and Man United to be relegated because they represent the history of the game. Man City and Chelsea he didn't excuse and Tottenham, he didn't care about Tottenham.
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Champions League revamp
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BirkenheadBlue
Player Valuation: £70m
They'll have a TV deal already sorted. It's with DAZN by all accounts.
A lot of real Irish in the states who like Celtic as well
Yes of course but the key difference here is what makes football a sport - competition and the ability for anyone to reach the pinnacle. If there is no opportunity for clubs to qualify for tournaments on merit, then is it truly a sporting competition?
I'm not against money in football. It's not the money element of this which is the biggest problem. It's the fact that qualification is based on wealth not results on a football pitch and the fact that there will be no comeback for failure on the pitch in this competition.
I was only born a year after the PL was formed so don't have a grasp of what things were like prior to its formation. But the PL has never been a closed shop and points on the board have always given the chance for prizes at the end of a season. That is what makes a sport a sport.
The likes of Arsenal sitting in 9th as a mediocre midtable club, yet running off to create a new tournament where they don't need to qualify, is one of the craziest things I've seen in sport.
Lord Buckethead
Player Valuation: £35m
That came after negotiation with the league though.
The Clubs are obviously annoyed at UEFA's vision of the Champions League. The Euro League is a fantasy alternative and an extreme starting point for negotiations. Both sides with compromise heavily before an agreement is made.
helpimonfire
Player Valuation: £35m
Kick the 6 scabby rats out
Let them go play their games in Florida. Pay-Per-View on the Disney channel
Liverpool who have never ever spent a penny yet have moaned about other teams having wealth. Haaaaar hypercritical fecks
Big 6 Super League? Nah! Scab 6 Super Greed more like it
Throw them to the lions
Let them go play their games in Florida. Pay-Per-View on the Disney channel
Liverpool who have never ever spent a penny yet have moaned about other teams having wealth. Haaaaar hypercritical fecks
Big 6 Super League? Nah! Scab 6 Super Greed more like it
Throw them to the lions
tsubaki
Player Valuation: £90m
That is why letting them go to the competition whilst kicking them out of the other ones (domestic and European) is the likely option now. The punishments you describe are meaningless really; they’ll make more in this initial share of money than the prize off the PL.
helpimonfire
Player Valuation: £35m
Kopites customers on Sky Sports News next. Pass me my cuppa.
By disbanding the cult and readmitting it’s members into the human race we would be doing them a favour
What did the lions do to deserve that shower being tossed at them?
blaze
Player Valuation: £950k
If they fold to these clubs it's over for them, these 12 clubs are just using their leagues as an easy way to transition across to this new format without taking too much risk initially. If this happens they will eventually leave entirely anyway (within a few years too).
BornBlue76
Player Valuation: £35m
Rambling warning:
Taking a step back on the ESL and wondering how it could play out and the implications..
The most affected is the ECL. Effectively the ESL teams are withdrawing from that competition but feel they can maintain the local league. In reality this is possible. However UEFA et al won't like their cash cow sidelined and have the power of the local league at least to use as a stick to keep the ESL from happening or as punishment. If it goes ahead the CL becomes a watered down event much like the Europa as the best players and manager are not included. Will FIFA do this, I don't know. FIFA might want to protect the leagues they do have and let go control of CL as survival mechanism. They may fear that all monies will dry up in local leagues without the super league teams participating.
Players:
Players play where they get paid the most and I don't see any player revolt to a super league. Its a job and they want nothing more than money and fame. If the top players stick to the ESL teams what then?
Fans:
Fans of an older generation will feel the pain more so than our kids who are up coming into being paying supporters. I'm not convinced fans will revolt hard enough for long enough to change the viability of the product. At the end its how the fans react that make this doable. Personally I would far rather watch the EPL in its current format than seeing Everton part of an ESL with nothing else. I honestly believe in too much of a good thing and the ESL will become routine very fast. Take the IPL (cricket) - first couple seasons watched every game, now couldn't care less as it really has no meaning or purpose. The clubs won't become symbols of their regions or countries but just franchises playing meaningless football games. But can I just walk away from Everton if this is my passion for 40 years.. I doubt it. This could create a void at local football level that those staying behind fill.. going back to players.. will they still dream of the ESL and play our contracts till they can join or get sold to the highest bidder and local clubs effectively become training and feeding grounds to the ESL?
FIFA only have the local league as a card and I'm not sure how powerful they feel this card is. But if I was in their shoes and I wanted to make the ESL a tournament that operates in a vacuum more and more disconnected from fans I would cut them out. ESL clubs maintaining local league affiliation creates a far more imbalanced local league. Part of me wonders if it is not already so imbalanced that will it pivot the league even more? Having 6 teams, not 4 and assured of those revenues every year.. yeah it will. What's already a tough mountain to climb will be insurmountable.
There is a trump card over the players - the World Cup. This is one thing that might keep players from jumping ship at first chance.. do I believe it though? Not sure.
Rambling summary: Uefa/FIFA to protect themselves might have to go for it. Its a massive risk to cut them out but its the only way to maintain control and "hope" that the ESL becomes boring to fans and they tune out eventually. But then this is a long term move and will hit them hard for a few years at least I would guess... unless they have the fans with them who vote with their wallets against it. But if the team you have supported your whole life is not playing local football what choice do you have? Seems to me the biggest losers are the fans.
sidenote.. Uefa/FIfa .. all the same to me. so excuse if used incorrectly.
Taking a step back on the ESL and wondering how it could play out and the implications..
The most affected is the ECL. Effectively the ESL teams are withdrawing from that competition but feel they can maintain the local league. In reality this is possible. However UEFA et al won't like their cash cow sidelined and have the power of the local league at least to use as a stick to keep the ESL from happening or as punishment. If it goes ahead the CL becomes a watered down event much like the Europa as the best players and manager are not included. Will FIFA do this, I don't know. FIFA might want to protect the leagues they do have and let go control of CL as survival mechanism. They may fear that all monies will dry up in local leagues without the super league teams participating.
Players:
Players play where they get paid the most and I don't see any player revolt to a super league. Its a job and they want nothing more than money and fame. If the top players stick to the ESL teams what then?
Fans:
Fans of an older generation will feel the pain more so than our kids who are up coming into being paying supporters. I'm not convinced fans will revolt hard enough for long enough to change the viability of the product. At the end its how the fans react that make this doable. Personally I would far rather watch the EPL in its current format than seeing Everton part of an ESL with nothing else. I honestly believe in too much of a good thing and the ESL will become routine very fast. Take the IPL (cricket) - first couple seasons watched every game, now couldn't care less as it really has no meaning or purpose. The clubs won't become symbols of their regions or countries but just franchises playing meaningless football games. But can I just walk away from Everton if this is my passion for 40 years.. I doubt it. This could create a void at local football level that those staying behind fill.. going back to players.. will they still dream of the ESL and play our contracts till they can join or get sold to the highest bidder and local clubs effectively become training and feeding grounds to the ESL?
FIFA only have the local league as a card and I'm not sure how powerful they feel this card is. But if I was in their shoes and I wanted to make the ESL a tournament that operates in a vacuum more and more disconnected from fans I would cut them out. ESL clubs maintaining local league affiliation creates a far more imbalanced local league. Part of me wonders if it is not already so imbalanced that will it pivot the league even more? Having 6 teams, not 4 and assured of those revenues every year.. yeah it will. What's already a tough mountain to climb will be insurmountable.
There is a trump card over the players - the World Cup. This is one thing that might keep players from jumping ship at first chance.. do I believe it though? Not sure.
Rambling summary: Uefa/FIFA to protect themselves might have to go for it. Its a massive risk to cut them out but its the only way to maintain control and "hope" that the ESL becomes boring to fans and they tune out eventually. But then this is a long term move and will hit them hard for a few years at least I would guess... unless they have the fans with them who vote with their wallets against it. But if the team you have supported your whole life is not playing local football what choice do you have? Seems to me the biggest losers are the fans.
sidenote.. Uefa/FIfa .. all the same to me. so excuse if used incorrectly.
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