Champions League revamp

[Alan Whittle]

It's like they are forming a footballing version of the EU

Where’s @peteblue when you need him?

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Hassenthuttl was just fortunate that he was interviewed after the cup game about it. We'll be taking the same approach as Germany and the other leagues, the FA will make the statement and all clubs will sign it.

There's nothing for Everton to gain by not condemning it.

That's a different argument entirely to;

I think a lot of these clubs are first and foremost wondering the implications for them before anything. I'd bet anything that we'll see a joint statement from Prem Clubs at some point today condemning the news.

Everton are increasingly lacking relevance in the game.

There's time to sit on your hands, there's times to be heard.

This is one of them.

 

[alphabet]

When you say “fans” you mean armchair bellends who call into football talkshows.
“...and next up we have alphabet who lives with his nan and has never been to a game in his life. What’s your point bellend...err ...alphabet?”

you a rude boi.

but ye it'd be me calling and saying "first and foremost joey me nan loves you for this show, secondly COME ON YOU SPURS"

 

[APN_EFC]

Has anyone seen / read a balanced view of the ESL idea? I understand the anti-ESL sentiment, but don't really know a balanced view of why the clubs have signed up to it, apart from money / greed. If that's the case, how is it different from 1992 and the formative of the premier league?

It's easy for us to say that we would have said no if we were invited, but I really hope that's true and judging by the way the club conducted the Everton crest fiasco (I liked the new trendy one but accepted the democratic decision happily) and the stadium consultation (very nicely done) I really feel like they have the fans' interests at heart. but, i dont know how this is worse for the fans then the Premier league is anyway? (sorry if it's a stupid question havent had time to process everything)

 

[atypicalusername]

Where’s @peteblue when you need him?

In terms of exclusive membership and controlling distribution of funds I mean. I'm not against the EU but I'm against the scab league

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Yeah been chatting with a RS mate of mine today and he's dead set against it

He does think some of the players will choose ESL over their countries though, and he might not be wrong

Plastic fans will love it, genuine ones not so.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

First of all, let me be clear. I have a local team that I support, I go to games when possible. I also visit lower league games, there's plenty of football for me to 'enjoy' on that level.

Now, when I'm watching CL footie, and paying top dollar to watch it (and tie myself contractually with my ISP for years as they're the only ones that provide CL in my country), I want the best games possible. Honestly, I don't want to watch teams like Red Star, Apoel, and similar, holding on for their dear lives for 90s mins, trying to not let in more than 5 goals per half.

The CL is not a quality product, and it's becoming worse and worse each year by letting minnow clubs have an easier route in, and by letting in even 4th placed teams from some domestic championships.

I just want good effing football, if Superleague is to happen, it'd guarantee that. Richest clubs with best players. Fine by me. Bring it on. As long as they don't dilute the quality of the league by expanding.

And yeah, I love the NBA type of league. Would be nice if they banned player buying/Selling in Superleague and instead just have player for player trades within the league.

Btw didn't Everton already told the "propa football" to eff off back in the 1990? You know, Premierleague founders and all that?

"Minnow clubs" have a vastly more difficult path, so you're full of crap

Celtic have had to get through 4 qualifying ties just to reach the group stages in recent years for instance, and that's as League Champions

It's incredibly difficult for the less financially rich teams from smaller leagues to make the group stages and any that do are 110% there on merit

Sporting merit seems to mean jack all to you though

 

[Gerbs]

On SSN just now:

'Both Man City & Chelsea were reported to have had reservations about the whole thing, but ultimately decided that they just couldn't risk being left behind..'

This is the world we live in.

I used that same tactic with my parents when I was 15 and got in trouble

 

[Wat Tyler]

Italian media saying Roma one of the three invited

 

[ChesterBlue]

I quite liked this tbh.....

Always had a massive soft spot for Ajax, remember them being absolutely boss when I was a kid in the 90’s

 

[Papa Shango]

First of all, let me be clear. I have a local team that I support, I go to games when possible. I also visit lower league games, there's plenty of football for me to 'enjoy' on that level.

Now, when I'm watching CL footie, and paying top dollar to watch it (and tie myself contractually with my ISP for years as they're the only ones that provide CL in my country), I want the best games possible. Honestly, I don't want to watch teams like Red Star, Apoel, and similar, holding on for their dear lives for 90s mins, trying to not let in more than 5 goals per half.

The CL is not a quality product, and it's becoming worse and worse each year by letting minnow clubs have an easier route in, and by letting in even 4th placed teams from some domestic championships.

I just want good effing football, if Superleague is to happen, it'd guarantee that. Richest clubs with best players. Fine by me. Bring it on. As long as they don't dilute the quality of the league by expanding.

And yeah, I love the NBA type of league. Would be nice if they banned player buying/Selling in Superleague and instead just have player for player trades within the league.

Btw didn't Everton already told the "propa football" to eff off back in the 1990? You know, Premierleague founders and all that?

"Minnow clubs" this is half the problem with people with your mindset.

It's a sport, football is for everyone, why should these teams not be able to play?

For all the premier leagues flaws (and there are many) it is not a closed shop.

Honestly you just don't get it.

 

[mightymoyes]

Has anyone seen / read a balanced view of the ESL idea? I understand the anti-ESL sentiment, but don't really know a balanced view of why the clubs have signed up to it, apart from money / greed. If that's the case, how is it different from 1992 and the formative of the premier league?

It's easy for us to say that we would have said no if we were invited, but I really hope that's true and judging by the way the club conducted the Everton crest fiasco (I liked the new trendy one but accepted the democratic decision happily) and the stadium consultation (very nicely done) I really feel like they have the fans' interests at heart. but, i dont know how this is worse for the fans then the Premier league is anyway? (sorry if it's a stupid question havent had time to process everything)

cos its a closed shop

 

[Toffe3m4n]

Has anyone seen / read a balanced view of the ESL idea? I understand the anti-ESL sentiment, but don't really know a balanced view of why the clubs have signed up to it, apart from money / greed. If that's the case, how is it different from 1992 and the formative of the premier league?

It's easy for us to say that we would have said no if we were invited, but I really hope that's true and judging by the way the club conducted the Everton crest fiasco (I liked the new trendy one but accepted the democratic decision happily) and the stadium consultation (very nicely done) I really feel like they have the fans' interests at heart. but, i dont know how this is worse for the fans then the Premier league is anyway? (sorry if it's a stupid question havent had time to process everything)

The key difference being at least the Premier League wasn't closed off from the rest of the EFL and we've seen many smaller clubs and their fans over the years benefit greatly from their entry at different points.

The ESL will benefit no one other than the already established 'elite' in Europe. It's essentially removing all financial risk for them at the cost of the actual competitiveness of the sport.

 

[Tubey]

Has anyone seen / read a balanced view of the ESL idea? I understand the anti-ESL sentiment, but don't really know a balanced view of why the clubs have signed up to it, apart from money / greed. If that's the case, how is it different from 1992 and the formative of the premier league?

It's easy for us to say that we would have said no if we were invited, but I really hope that's true and judging by the way the club conducted the Everton crest fiasco (I liked the new trendy one but accepted the democratic decision happily) and the stadium consultation (very nicely done) I really feel like they have the fans' interests at heart. but, i dont know how this is worse for the fans then the Premier league is anyway? (sorry if it's a stupid question havent had time to process everything)

The formation of the Premier League in 1992 maintained the pyramid. That's the key difference. Founding members could drop out of it, new clubs could benefit from it.

There's no balanced view; it is solely about greed. The self-preservation of guaranteed money for the elite few. No risk. No "doing a Leeds".

We wouldn't have said no if invited. We are ran by the same types of rich tools that are orchestrating this. But that's irrelevant - this isn't sour grapes.

 

[navidson]

Has anyone seen / read a balanced view of the ESL idea? I understand the anti-ESL sentiment, but don't really know a balanced view of why the clubs have signed up to it, apart from money / greed. If that's the case, how is it different from 1992 and the formative of the premier league?

It's easy for us to say that we would have said no if we were invited, but I really hope that's true and judging by the way the club conducted the Everton crest fiasco (I liked the new trendy one but accepted the democratic decision happily) and the stadium consultation (very nicely done) I really feel like they have the fans' interests at heart. but, i dont know how this is worse for the fans then the Premier league is anyway? (sorry if it's a stupid question havent had time to process everything)

That retained both promotion and relegation from respective leagues - therefore allowing all clubs throughout the football pyramid the opportunity to progress via results gained on the field

This completely eradicates that idea