Champions League revamp

[Wat Tyler]

"Minnow clubs" this is half the problem with people with your mindset.

It's a sport, football is for everyone, why should these teams not be able to play?

For all the premier leagues flaws (and there are many) it is not a closed shop.

Honestly you just don't get it.

Cos he is a dullard tory, just ignore him till he gets the inevitable ban

 

[degsy]

I think the difference is in fairness it helped money trickle down the football pyramid. Not saying it was the reason we did it but this scab league has no chance of any real trickle down effect

...the trickle down theory, jeez who believes in that any more...no matter what it rela yes to.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Has anyone seen / read a balanced view of the ESL idea? I understand the anti-ESL sentiment, but don't really know a balanced view of why the clubs have signed up to it, apart from money / greed. If that's the case, how is it different from 1992 and the formative of the premier league?

It's easy for us to say that we would have said no if we were invited, but I really hope that's true and judging by the way the club conducted the Everton crest fiasco (I liked the new trendy one but accepted the democratic decision happily) and the stadium consultation (very nicely done) I really feel like they have the fans' interests at heart. but, i dont know how this is worse for the fans then the Premier league is anyway? (sorry if it's a stupid question havent had time to process everything)

Because the Premier League didn’t remove all sporting integrity in one swoop by locking teams in permanently

 

[Papa Shango]

Has to be said.
As one of the then big 5 instigators of the PL in 1992, Everton have at least 1 previous historical conviction for looking after...what they thought of at the time, no doubt, as their own best interests and sod the rest.

It doesn't have to be said because nobody from 1992 is here now.

 

[Drico]

Has to be said.
As one of the then big 5 instigators of the PL in 1992, Everton have at least 1 previous historical conviction for looking after...what they thought of at the time, no doubt, as their own best interests and sod the rest.

Yes, and we should be held up as an example to the rest of what can go wrong.

What happened us from 1992 is what will inevitably happen 15 of the 20 clubs in this Super League. In the end, it will be Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man City, and PSG who clean up. The rest will be also-rans. Some, such as Spurs, Arsenal, and Atletico Madrid will be fodder. Anyway, without the Germans it won't be able to achieve its full objective. Watch Rummenigge and Bayern. What they do will be instructive. I could see him brokering a "compromise" with UEFA - which will give the clubs a lot but not all of what they are currently demanding.

 

[helpimonfire]

So, if they ban the Scab 6 does it mean that Liverpool players can still pose for photos with the trophies?

 

[alphabet]

"Minnow clubs" have a vastly more difficult path, so you're full of crap

Celtic have had to get through 4 qualifying ties just to reach the group stages in recent years for instance, and that's as League Champions

It's incredibly difficult for the less financially rich teams from smaller leagues to make the group stages and any that do are 110% there on merit

Sporting merit seems to mean jack all to you though

Why do you think this has anything to do with sporting merit? This is very simple, it's an entertainment product packed in the most shiniest of boxes for the consumers to enjoy. It just happens to be played on a pitch this time around.

This has nothing to do with sport, or whatever. And if I can choose between Liverpool putting 5 past Red Star Belgrade and Liverpool shipping 5 against Real Madrid on a weekly basis, I'd prefer that.

 

[Toffee-nerd]

First of all, let me be clear. I have a local team that I support, I go to games when possible. I also visit lower league games, there's plenty of football for me to 'enjoy' on that level.

Now, when I'm watching CL footie, and paying top dollar to watch it (and tie myself contractually with my ISP for years as they're the only ones that provide CL in my country), I want the best games possible. Honestly, I don't want to watch teams like Red Star, Apoel, and similar, holding on for their dear lives for 90s mins, trying to not let in more than 5 goals per half.

The CL is not a quality product, and it's becoming worse and worse each year by letting minnow clubs have an easier route in, and by letting in even 4th placed teams from some domestic championships.

I just want good effing football, if Superleague is to happen, it'd guarantee that. Richest clubs with best players. Fine by me. Bring it on. As long as they don't dilute the quality of the league by expanding.

And yeah, I love the NBA type of league. Would be nice if they banned player buying/Selling in Superleague and instead just have player for player trades within the league.

Btw didn't Everton already told the "propa football" to eff off back in the 1990? You know, Premierleague founders and all that?

FFS.

 

[Tubey]

FFS.

Just ignore the Kopite.

 

[Jamiednm]

There is no point in this as a sporting competition. It's effectively a glorified pre-season tournament.

If promotion and relegation and sporting consequences don't exist, then the ESL exists in a vacuum outside of the 99.9% rest of the football-playing world. In that sense, other than Chinese TV deals, it will quickly become irrelevant in Europe.

 

[DanB90]

First of all, let me be clear. I have a local team that I support, I go to games when possible. I also visit lower league games, there's plenty of football for me to 'enjoy' on that level.

Now, when I'm watching CL footie, and paying top dollar to watch it (and tie myself contractually with my ISP for years as they're the only ones that provide CL in my country), I want the best games possible. Honestly, I don't want to watch teams like Red Star, Apoel, and similar, holding on for their dear lives for 90s mins, trying to not let in more than 5 goals per half.

The CL is not a quality product, and it's becoming worse and worse each year by letting minnow clubs have an easier route in, and by letting in even 4th placed teams from some domestic championships.

I just want good effing football, if Superleague is to happen, it'd guarantee that. Richest clubs with best players. Fine by me. Bring it on. As long as they don't dilute the quality of the league by expanding.

And yeah, I love the NBA type of league. Would be nice if they banned player buying/Selling in Superleague and instead just have player for player trades within the league.

Btw didn't Everton already told the "propa football" to eff off back in the 1990? You know, Premierleague founders and all that?

So you’d sooner watch the same 12 clubs play each other over and over for the rest of time. Defo seems like “sport” that.

 

[Tin-Tin]

Has anyone seen / read a balanced view of the ESL idea? I understand the anti-ESL sentiment, but don't really know a balanced view of why the clubs have signed up to it, apart from money / greed. If that's the case, how is it different from 1992 and the formative of the premier league?

It's easy for us to say that we would have said no if we were invited, but I really hope that's true and judging by the way the club conducted the Everton crest fiasco (I liked the new trendy one but accepted the democratic decision happily) and the stadium consultation (very nicely done) I really feel like they have the fans' interests at heart. but, i dont know how this is worse for the fans then the Premier league is anyway? (sorry if it's a stupid question havent had time to process everything)

15 clubs run it 'the founding members' although only 12 now (think this was meant to inclubde Bayern, Dortmund and PSG) who have refused

Those 15 members make the rules and cannot be relegated, regardless of where they finish.

5 clubs will be invited to join each year, not through winning anything, just because. They wont earn much but should be grateful to be there.

Founding members get £400m for existing but the winner if the league only gets an extra £30m

So basically you can come last every year, no consequenses and still pick up £££.

 

[atypicalusername]

...the trickle down theory, jeez who believes in that any more...no matter what it rela yes to.

I mean for the football league it's true. Clubs get more money for playing in the 4th tier of the pyramid now?

 

[mightymoyes]

Yes, and we should be held up as an example to the rest of what can go wrong.

What happened us from 1992 is what will inevitably happen 15 of the 20 clubs in this Super League. In the end, it will be Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man City, and PSG who clean up. The rest will be also-rans. Some, such as Spurs, Arsenal, and Atletico Madrid will be fodder. Anyway, without the Germans it won't be able to achieve its full objective. Watch Rummenigge and Bayern. What they do will be instructive. I could see him brokering a "compromise" with UEFA - which will give the clubs a lot but not all of what they are currently demanding.

PSG arent in it

 

[The_Street_End]

Hoping we're not considering it or whatever. Be fuming, be great to see us come out with a stern statement.