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Champions League revamp

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Old Blue 2 said:
But they are not! Someone posted up one of the rules of the Premier League last night (I think it was rule 19) which stated that, in so many words, they could not join any other organisation while remaining part of the Prem. So a breach of the rule automatically takes them outwith any legal course of action to remain. The driver to being in the Premier league is that they do not contravene the conditions. Once they do that, all bets are off. It's not a question of restricting competition, it's simply a case of 'you joined on these legally binding conditions - you have broken your word on a condition'.
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Would you please read my posts on it. Yes, I agree the PL can throw them out. What I am saying is, according to the legal commentary coming out today, UEFA wont have a leg to stand on in terms of stopping a super league under competition law and any action banning of players from international football, would be thrown out again based on the prevention of competition.

As for PL - my understanding is Rule 9; is very very clear and it's black and white, under PL rules they have to be thrown out & as you say that is legally binding, but so is the TV deal, the sponsorship deals, the travel contracts etc. If they are thrown out (rightly so IMHO) there will be a huge amount of "legally binding" contracts broken either way.
 
Martin Alvito said:
His job is to tell the customers the consequences and let them make the decisions.



Different players will have differing degrees of leverage here, depending on their contracts.



It's not reasonable to ask them to make a public move right now. There's too much at stake. Their businesses literally depend on the response to this - it's the biggest professional decision most of them will ever make.

Most likely, they've all agreed tacitly or explicitly to remain silent until either there's solidarity or they agree to go their own separate ways on the issue.
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Or saying what the clients would love to hear? I bet people will always think the cases are on their sides and they will win the cases because their reasons and evidences provided are true and valid.
 
Tin-Tin said:
Yep, missing Bayern, PSG and Dortmund, along with the likes of Ajax, Benfica etc make it less of a competition. Those 12 and a couple of dregs who they invite out of desperation will not make a decent league.
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A CL with teams like Bayern, PSG, Dortmund, Napoli, Sevilla, Villarreal, Ajax, Leicester, Everton, Aston Villa, West Ham etc would still be profitable long term.

Project fear of the league being destroyed is nonsense. Short term it would weaken us but if Usmanov keeps bankrolling us and the power vaccum left behind see's wealthy investors buy into the likes of Newcastle, West Ham, Leeds etc then English football will prop itself back up.

There should be something in place though to stop further clubs leaving to the Super League such as a signed contract between all other English Clubs.
 

number4. said:
Would you please read my posts on it. Yes, I agree the PL can throw them out. What I am saying is, according to the legal commentary coming out today, UEFA wont have a leg to stand on in terms of stopping a super league under competition law and any action banning of players from international football, would be thrown out again based on the prevention of competition.

As for PL - my understanding is Rule 9; is very very clear and it's black and white, under PL rules they have to be thrown out & as you say that is legally binding, but so is the TV deal, the sponsorship deals, the travel contracts etc. If they are thrown out (rightly so IMHO) there will be a huge amount of "legally binding" contracts broken either way.
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by them though

someone mentioned Lance Armstrong earlier and there’s a clear parallel to this - he had loads of deals and they all ended because of his antics; the cycling authorities weren’t liable because they banned him
 
ForeverBlue92 said:
A CL with teams like Bayern, PSG, Dortmund, Napoli, Sevilla, Villarreal, Ajax, Leicester, Everton, West Ham etc would still be profitable long term.

Project fear of the league being destroyed is nonsense. Short term it would weaken us but if Usmanov keeps bankrolling us and the power vaccum left behind see's wealthy investors buy into the likes of Newcastle, West Ham, Leeds etc then English football will prop itself back up.

There should be something in place though to stop further clubs leaving to the Super League such as a signed contract between all other English Clubs.
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Spot on this.

United didn't become a big club in a vacuum - their success in the Premier League made them.
 
number4. said:
Would you please read my posts on it. Yes, I agree the PL can throw them out. What I am saying is, according to the legal commentary coming out today, UEFA wont have a leg to stand on in terms of stopping a super league under competition law and any action banning of players from international football, would be thrown out again based on the prevention of competition.

As for PL - my understanding is Rule 9; is very very clear and it's black and white, under PL rules they have to be thrown out & as you say that is legally binding, but so is the TV deal, the sponsorship deals, the travel contracts etc. If they are thrown out (rightly so IMHO) there will be a huge amount of "legally binding" contracts broken either way.
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I suggest you read your own post, and my reply properly.

This is what you said: '...the arguement is that they are free to set up another competition...'

Under the Premier League rules, they are not.

That is the singular point to which I replied.

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tsubaki said:
by them though

someone mentioned Lance Armstrong earlier and there’s a clear parallel to this - he had loads of deals and they all ended because of his antics; the cycling authorities weren’t liable because they banned him
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There'd be a renegotiation clearly, but as stated before these companies signed contracts with the Premier League; that league still exists.

It's basically an act of God scenario. The Premier League can't be held accountable for six members clearly, blatantly breaching contract.
 
ForeverBlue92 said:
A CL with teams like Bayern, PSG, Dortmund, Napoli, Sevilla, Villarreal, Ajax, Leicester, Everton, West Ham etc would still be profitable long term.

Project fear of the league being destroyed is nonsense. Short term it would weaken us but if Usmanov keeps bankrolling us and the power vaccum left behind see's wealthy investors buy into the likes of Newcastle, West Ham, Leeds etc then English football will prop itself back up.

There should be something in place though to stop further clubs leaving to the Super League such as a signed contract between all other English Clubs.
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Yep there are still enough historically big or currently good teams, including Roma, Lazio, Benfica, Porto, Lyon, Atalanta, Monaco, Leipzig plus tge obes you have mentioned and a few others.

It may even make it a fairer and more exciting competition as aside from Bayern and PSG the others are a bit more level.
 
Old Blue 2 said:
I suggest you read your own post, and my reply properly.

This is what you said: '...the arguement is that they are free to set up another competition...'

Under the Premier League rules, they are not.

That is the singular point to which I replied.

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He doesn't understand what 'stopping' it means. It means stopping what they intend - which is to create it and carry on in domestic leagues.

They can certainly stop that.

They can't stop the clubs committing footballing seppuku and going off to create their own league regardless - any club can do that if they want the consequences of it.
 

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