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They will all be very muted, awaiting their fate from the ESL. The financial penalties that they owe.

Nothing will happen, no fines or sanctions. Just some crap about all being part of the “football family”

Im resigned to this fact. They have already moved on from it.
 

They've also won the World Cup. And this is the thing: German football is FAR more about the pyramid. In England, the top of the pyramid is Manchester United. In Germany, it is the German national side.

As long as English fans compare the two football cultures purely in terms of the top domestic league, they will never appreciate the holistic approach of German football where the international side is the pinnacle.

The International side is the pinnacle yet the fella in charge fingers his ass on camera and smells his finger.
 

Owner = club
Players = club
Fans = club

Fine the owners - they're literally all billionaires. It won't bother them in the slightest unless it's hundred of millions which it wouldn't be.

Points deduction - no no no you can't do that. It's not the teams fault of the owner actions. Unless of course your owners make the club bankrupt and they go onto administration.

Transfer ban - nooooo that hurts the team!

European ban - but the fans won't get to see their team in Europe and that's not nice for them!
 

Erm, maybe than English clubs, yes.

But their ownership have actually been pushing to get rid of the 50+1 rule.

They aren't some shining light to be used. They do sweep up all the talent and have a monopoly on German football.

They might have 2-3 years in the relative domestic wildnerness like they did 2009-2012 (still reached two CL finals like) but they then went and made sure they got their rivals' best player, the world's best manager after winning the treble, and then went and dominated.
That's the fault of the other German clubs though. Last night, one of the biggest, Schalke 04, were relegated. Hamburger SV, European champions in 1983 and one of the biggest clubs in Europe, are in the second division. You can slate Bayern for being successful - but nothing they have done was based on artificial power, oil money, or American investors. Their dominance was home grown. Would the leadership have been interested in the ESL? Definitely. But the way the clubs are governed - with fans having the majority say - ensures that those leaders must find other ways to maximise Bayern's position.

So, German football, unquestionably IS a shining light.
 
As long as the media is infested with these Rs apologists whitewashing the facts - nobody has a chance.

It’s crazy how they’re such a big part of the problem, but within 24 hours have reverted straight to type.

if you had to credit any RS, it would be Milner (who put himself out there after the Leeds game), and to be fair the fan groups - SoS and the Redmen one. They were praising our statement after we made it, and that must have been pretty painful for them.

But Klopp and Henderson, do me a favour.
 
All depends what the PL say as they're being quiet at the moment.

But I think any real punishment would've happened if the thing went ahead, then gladly throw the book at them.

But it's dead. What's also dead is those clubs resentment of the format as it is and also the worry over champions league places.

It'll be interesting to see what these clubs do for next season in terms of transfers etc when the likes of Juve, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea, RS not making the champions league next season.

It's not dead, not one bit.

Punishing them won't stop it, but it is due worth for what they attempted to do.

What will stop it is future reforms in regulation etc.
 
That's the fault of the other German clubs though. Last night, one of the biggest, Schalke 04, were relegated. Hamburger SV, European champions in 1983 and one of the biggest clubs in Europe, are in the second division. You can slate Bayern for being successful - but nothing they have done was based on artificial power, oil money, or American investors. Their dominance was home grown. Would the leadership have been interested in the ESL? Definitely. But the way the clubs are governed - with fans having the majority say - ensures that those leaders must find other ways to maximise Bayern's position.

So, German football, unquestionably IS a shining light.

Unquestionably a shining light in everything other than actual competition. Let's hope more clubs can grow and put up a challenge to Bayern over the next few years. Dortmund should be receiving a serious cash injection if all the transfer rumours are even half true.
 

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