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It's not dead, not one bit.

Punishing them won't stop it, but it is due worth for what they attempted to do.

What will stop it is future reforms in regulation etc.

I think it is. The backlash across the board was insane, all the league's and governing bodies have a better idea of what they can do to punish them, governments getting involved...it's a minefield that I bet the Glazers etc didn't full realise - a big thing why once they got scared, jumped ship within hours.

It only happens if UEFA etc agree to make one.
 
Getting real sick of this "punish the individuals and not the fans" ok lets stop red cards cause you know a team with only 10 men is unfair on the fans because they have a lesser chance of winning the game..

Lets not punish the fans when a club breaks ffp rules cause you know its not fair the owners spent all that money..

Lets not punish the fans when a club goes bankrupt because of how poorly the owners have run the club..

Lets not punish the family of a murderer because by him going to prison is depriving the family of this person..

i could go on, where do you draw the line?

You can't separate the owners from the "club and fans" just because they have done something wrong yet on the other hand when the owners do good things.. as the Fifa President said.. you are either in or you are out..

Its pathetic
I know its different league and incident but look what happened to Bury, nothing to do with fans or players what happened there, however, it was them who ultimately had the punishment. Reeks of double standards and its what the UK does best, you have wealth you judged positively by default.

Bale dodging the question there..
He should have shoehorned his Alien theory in.
 
I think it is. The backlash across the board was insane, all the league's and governing bodies have a better idea of what they can do to punish them, governments getting involved...it's a minefield that I bet the Glazers etc didn't full realise - a big thing why once they got scared, jumped ship within hours.

It only happens if UEFA etc agree to make one.

They'll try again mate. There's been specific onus from certain clubs to stress it has just been 'suspended'.

They'll do it smarter, sure, but they won't let this drop.
 

I know its different league and incident but look what happened to Bury, nothing to do with fans or players what happened there, however, it was them who ultimately had the punishment. Reeks of double standards and its what the UK does best, you have wealth you judged positively by default.


He should have shoehorned his Alien theory in.
Why do you have to turn everything into this?

It's got nothing to do with whether it's Britain or not. The PL and the clubs, and the FA, have to act together as one.

Everton are hopefully leading the fight. There's reports we have been asking for very strong sanctions, let's hope we follow it up.

I agree with your general point though. It's double standards if it's not applied across the board. That's not specific to the UK/the FA, though. Look at UEFA...
 
The point is the other clubs are their own worst enemies! Bayern can take their players because they have been managed by buffoons! For decades.

Here, Man City can take Spurs's players no matter how well Spurs have been managed because they have oil money. They didn't earn that dominance through superb stewardship like Bayern did. They simply sold out to get it.

That's the difference.

Bayern's "total dominance" is not a product of oligarch wealth. It is organic. It is not Bayern's job to "help" incompetently managed clubs. It is for them to put their houses in order and catch up. There is no impossible barrier. In England, you can put your house in order as much as you like, but to what end? To finish seventh.

I just think the love for Bayern is a bit strange mate.

They're an amazingly brilliant side. But they've got some proper wrong 'uns in charge too.
 
Superb article



Given the sheer chaos of the last few days, the emotional exhaustion of fans who feared their bond with the game might be severed for ever, the thirst for closure will be strong. After all, football has a remarkable capacity for amnesia. There is always a next thing: another story, another scandal, another round of fixtures to pick over. But there are multiple reasons why “back to normal” simply will not suffice here. This idea, this specific scheme, may have died a death. But the cartel lives on, and so do the circumstances that created it.

They will come again. Maybe not this season, or even this year, but some day. And when they do, they will have learned a thing or two. They will have learned that if you’re going to announce a 15-club breakaway, it might help to have those 15 clubs lined up in advance. They will have learned the importance of a PR strategy, or even just a steady stream of distraction and disinformation to wrong-foot and divide their opponents. They will have learned that it might not be the best move to send the 74-year-old Real Madrid president Florentino Pérez onto television to speak at length about the desires of young people. This breakaway may have crumbled. The next will be no laughing matter.

Unless we do something about it right now, when the big clubs are at their weakest and most penitent. We can quibble over what an appropriate penalty might be for an aggressive coup attempt on the entire global game, but one thing is certain: European football’s dirty dozen must not simply be allowed to slip back into their domestic routines or resume their residency of Uefa’s top club competitions (now handily skewed even more favourably in their direction). Now, above all, is the time to get vindictive.

Points deductions, suspensions, expulsions, eye-watering fines, transfer embargoes: none of this should be taken off the table at this stage. A two-year ban from European competition for all 12 clubs would be a good start (even if Arsenal seem well-equipped to impose their own exile)
 

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