Champions League revamp

[arminisgod]

Come on @Drico Bayern have a monopoly on German football.

Leicester are superbly run yet they dont dominate our league because we have competition and money via ownership investment.

Sadly in recent years RS have been ran superbly yet have had 2x brilliant seasons and are now 7th.

Since Bayern last didnt win a title we've had 4-5 different title winners.

to be fair, until the last 9 years of Bayern domination the Bundesliga was far more competative than the prem.

Dortmund
Wolfsburg
StuttgartBremen
Kaiserlauten

all winners from memory

 

[arminisgod]

They'll try again mate. There's been specific onus from certain clubs to stress it has just been 'suspended'.

They'll do it smarter, sure, but they won't let this drop.

The uk clubs wont try it again

 

[BlueToff]

to be fair, until the last 9 years of Bayern domination the Bundesliga was far more competative than the prem.

Dortmund
Wolfsburg
StuttgartBremen
Kaiserlauten

all winners from memory

Kaiserslautern were 98.

Just a quick screengrab...

Like I said earlier, they had 2 years of not winning the thing in 2011 and 2012 (they reached successive CL finals, though). They got it back in 2013 then hired Pep, then they went and signed their rivals' best player.

 

[Bluestar]

They'll try again mate. There's been specific onus from certain clubs to stress it has just been 'suspended'.

They'll do it smarter, sure, but they won't let this drop.

I agree. This time was a PR disaster, it was very amateurish. The players and managers didn’t know anything about it and were left to face the press.

I think the forceful response from Neville and Carragher so earl6 did an awful lot to set the national mood. I think without their lead, a lot of the fans would have been quite supportive of it. I think it was closer to being a success than we know.

Governance has to change to stop it. Probably needs a regulator and some legislation to get fan representation. Football needs to be protected as a cultural asset That can’t be sold down the river.

 

[OneTrueLegend]

Really not liking the new CL format. 2 spots based on previous performances in Europe is 2 spots too many.

Will almost certainly mean 5 Premier league teams in the champions league each year, if not 6. I am fairly sure most Premier League owners will be happy with that

 

[BlueToff]

The uk clubs wont try it again

They will. Make no mistake. They'll just do it in a way that they have more guarantees.

It's not gone, not one bit, unless action is taken.

They don't care about the fans. If not for the threats from the government/FA, they'd still be going for it today.

 

[BlueToff]

I agree. This time was a PR disaster, it was very amateurish. The players and managers didn’t know anything about it and were left to face the press.

I think the forceful response from Neville and Carragher so earl6 did an awful lot to set the national mood. I think without their lead, a lot of the fans would have been quite supportive of it. I think it was closer to being a success than we know.

Governance has to change to stop it. Probably needs a regulator and some legislation to get fan representation. Football needs to be protected as a cultural asset That can’t be sold down the river.

Hmm, I think the general timing of it stank. Neville/Carra gave it a voice but the anger was there, definitely.

Governance definitely has to change. Ultimately what stopped it this time wasn't Nev/Carra, the fans. It was the threats against the teams and then the players basically putting it out there that they didn't want it. If there's no players, there's no product.

 

[jerseytoffee]

Superb article



Given the sheer chaos of the last few days, the emotional exhaustion of fans who feared their bond with the game might be severed for ever, the thirst for closure will be strong. After all, football has a remarkable capacity for amnesia. There is always a next thing: another story, another scandal, another round of fixtures to pick over. But there are multiple reasons why “back to normal” simply will not suffice here. This idea, this specific scheme, may have died a death. But the cartel lives on, and so do the circumstances that created it.

They will come again. Maybe not this season, or even this year, but some day. And when they do, they will have learned a thing or two. They will have learned that if you’re going to announce a 15-club breakaway, it might help to have those 15 clubs lined up in advance. They will have learned the importance of a PR strategy, or even just a steady stream of distraction and disinformation to wrong-foot and divide their opponents. They will have learned that it might not be the best move to send the 74-year-old Real Madrid president Florentino Pérez onto television to speak at length about the desires of young people. This breakaway may have crumbled. The next will be no laughing matter.

Unless we do something about it right now, when the big clubs are at their weakest and most penitent. We can quibble over what an appropriate penalty might be for an aggressive coup attempt on the entire global game, but one thing is certain: European football’s dirty dozen must not simply be allowed to slip back into their domestic routines or resume their residency of Uefa’s top club competitions (now handily skewed even more favourably in their direction). Now, above all, is the time to get vindictive.

Points deductions, suspensions, expulsions, eye-watering fines, transfer embargoes: none of this should be taken off the table at this stage. A two-year ban from European competition for all 12 clubs would be a good start (even if Arsenal seem well-equipped to impose their own exile)

Closure is a good way of putting it, until something big is done to the clubs it will feel like these scab 6 can and will do whatever they want.

My enthusiasm for watching the Premier League was already at an all time low, this could be the final thing that does it for me and I reckon I wouldn’t be the only one.

 

[ste d' indica]

Spurs though... lol

The elite of Europe. This was a new car when they last won the league:

 

[jimmythenut]

Couldn't the Premier league request something legally binding from the 6 clubs that states they will not sign up for a Super league.

And if they do they will gets point deduction and withdrawn from European competitions.

Or, on the back of this get a vote to have this written into Premier league rules. Sure the 14 clubs would be interested in this.

 

[Lewism]

Who knows what the serie a rules are. I certainly don't. Dont even know who is top of serie a right now tbh

The Championship is a stronger league than Serie a right now.

 

[Dom1878]

Arsenal CEO apparently rang the 14 clubs to apologise for the incident.
Nice one of them did suppose.

Only club to apologise straight from off too...Guess the CEO was against it from the start and it was all Kroenke

 

[Dom1878]

They will. Make no mistake. They'll just do it in a way that they have more guarantees.

It's not gone, not one bit, unless action is taken.

They don't care about the fans. If not for the threats from the government/FA, they'd still be going for it today.

They will definitely try it again. They’ll either make it so it’s slightly acceptable enough to not outrage fans - I.e promotion and relegation but there’d be some sort of guaranteed etc to their own clubs. Or they’ll look to incorporate more PL clubs.

Personally, I’d say the best thing they could do is work with the PL to increase the revenue within the PL, as it’s clear to see nothing can compete with it.

 

[Lewism]

Its disgraceful. Under the new rules Liverpool would qualify for next year's Champions League by finishing 5th, 6th or 7th.

They need to bin those new rules ASAP other wise merit positions go out of the window next season.Not dissimilar to some of the set up in the dog [Poor language removed] esl set up.Totally unacceptable after recent events

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[N.S.N.O.]

Will almost certainly mean 5 Premier league teams in the champions league each year, if not 6. I am fairly sure most Premier League owners will be happy with that

Problem is, they'll seed the English team in a way that hands the Liverpool's and United comfortable Groups to qualify from, and screws the Leicester's and Everton's if and when they qualify...
we saw what happened when we the 5th Premier league team in it...