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Champions League revamp

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Venger said:
This puts it in perspective

These clubs were ready to destroy our club, the fans and the community

These clubs must be punished. Souness and his ilk can do one. The fans must suffer the consequences of their owners actions
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And that’s just us. All teams have long term business plans, and finance streams and expenditure planned out, and those board members of those 6 were happy to pull the rug out on the other 14. Scum mate.
 
number4. said:
Perez said 2 - 3 years last night
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I know people want to view the 12 as a unified block of evil, but I've always felt it's a bit more complex.

What I will say though is Perez, and to a degree Laporta and Agnelli are balls deep in this. I don't think they want this stopped at all. I would say the English teams are a bit of a mix. At the moment they will be desperate to keep their distance from it, but some could at some point be tempted back. I don't think Chelsea/City would touch it with a barge pole.

Whats clear though, is for the time being, they just want to keep their heads down, ride it out, take their TV and CL money and let it pass. Perez is making that very very difficult for them. You really would want him to shut up, and allow you to show some contrition, and make out it was like a bit of a mistake you'd harsly thought of. Him pointing out it's 170 page document and been going on for 3 years just doesn't do that.

Their best hope is really to play on a mixture of the naivety of the league and the short termism (which you've articulated very well). Howeve there will be a tipping point for all involved. If they get a sense this could all be repeated again in the next 5 years, at some point teams are going to start to shift and feel punishment is probably the only option.

This will sound odd, but most wars start by accident. Rarely do people sit down and think to start a war, a culmination of things happen. This wont be a war, but I see there's plenty left to run with this.

If you're any of those 6 clubs, you do not want Laporta and particularly Perez shouting his mouth off like he is.
 

allen said:
I thought that. This collapsed because of the Chelsea fans. He has the Liverpool players coming out en masse before that, and I'm sure that all happened afterwards.
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Yes, my thoughts exactly. He also has City as the first to formally announce withdrawal, but Chelsea had already announced the intention to withdraw to their fans outside the ground. Liverpool in particular are already being whitewashed across the media.
 
Efcjake said:
Yeah but its not fair to punish their players and fans....
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And that's the crap we are going to get now.
But without doing that its no punishment at all. Multi million pound fines are just money.
If the players and fans are punished then the wrath of both will rain down on them like
they have never seen before. It will stop them of ever thinking about it ever again.
Otherwise the SL will just raise it's head again in 2 years time under a different guise.
A 1 year ban from the CL and a 12 point deduction in PL next season would not be
unreasonable. A message has to be sent and delivered.
 
helpimonfire said:
Nothing will happen. Sky creamed themselves over Spurs yesterday. Now RS have saved football. Everton get a mention in every comment yet we did nowt. They are shoving this to one side.

https://www.resolver.co.uk/companies/the-fa-complaints/contact-details FA Complaints
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This is why the we cannot let the media and those clubs ever forget what they did, or ever forgive them for it.

The fans (including the traitorous 12s clubs legacy fans, if they actually care about their clubs and the game in general) need to protest at every opportunity, vociferously and with the same message, until real, lasting , impactful sanctions are placed on all the co-conspirators and their clubs.

A metaphorical slap on the wrist just won't cut it, and this talk of " you can't punish the fans" just doesn't wash - I'm not being a bitter over Hysel - this fight is for the very heart and soul of the game.

This is a defining moment in the games history and a decisive stand needs to be taken - how any true fan of football can't see that just sickens me.
 

blaze said:
It's pretty obvious this is going to come back around again once this all cools off, they'll add the sporting merit part in but it won't matter anyway since these clubs are already too rich to catch up to for most (and I'm sure they'll make those "founder" members wealthy enough to push further ahead of the pack). Having control over their own league without other clubs/organisations having the ability to interfere with decisions because of their voting rights is going to be the endgame.
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And then when madrid start pulling in more than spurs it will kick off again in their little scab league that they want more than spurs.
Its a shame the way football has gone. Moneys its God over absolutely everything.
 

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