2024/25 David Moyes

[T Bone]

Damn i was hoping he would blue ball us for a while longer. Wait till the summer to speak.

I want him to go full arrogant mode. Would love him to hammer home how we got worse and worse when he left and want him to drag Moshiri through the mud. Call him Loyd from Dumb and Dumber when he opened the brief case.

 

[Ian]

It’s possible, defo, but my point is, and always has been that even though that would represent good progress, it also means someone else has to come in at that point and build on foundations that aren’t theirs.

I’d have preferred we started with a younger manager now, who hopefully could make similar progress over the next 2.5yrs, and then continue yet further.

Whoever claimed he was a success though?

Depends how you define 'success'.

Purists will say it means winning a trophy; some would say Champions League qualification; some would say any European qualification.

For most clubs, these are not realistic definitions. The question is, whether Everton 2002 were one of those clubs. Let's be honest, we were.

One realistic measure of success would be, say, achieving better than other teams with comparable budgets; another, for the manager, might be to do better than the managers at the same club who preceded and succeeded you. On both of these measures, his time here was a success. Fergie might subliminally have had ulterior motives, but he was canny and he rated the job Moyes did here so highly that he personally recommended him.

For a team who had been regularly fighting relegation and who were outspent by every team that finished above us and some that didn't, an average 7th place finish, including 4th one year, was a massive improvement from where he found us. We got close to a couple of trophies because he took a poor team and made them better.

I share your frustration that he clearly had his limits, which seemed to cost us those chances of a trophy when they were there. It was galling. The football wasn't always pretty, but it got better over time. There were some poor signings, but some excellent ones for very little money: Coleman, Pienaar, Baines, Cahill, Arteta, Stones, Jags, Lescott, Distin, Yobo. Any one of these would be first name on the team sheet now.

On balance, it's hard to say his first stint with us wasn't successful by any reasonable measure. I'm not convinced his 2nd term here will be as positive tbh. I agree there are better managers out there, but who knows if they would have come? I hope we're not paying him £5m a year and I hope he isn't still manager in 3 years unless we've qualified for Europe or won a trophy. Most importantly, though, I don't want the club relegated. Secondly, it would be nice to see a few goals, or at least shots on target. If nothing improves, it's going to be pretty tough, like, but I think he'll get more out of them than Dyche. Surely...?

 

[MaximusEvertonius]

Depends how you define 'success'.

Purists will say it means winning a trophy; some would say Champions League qualification; some would say any European qualification.

For most clubs, these are not realistic definitions. The question is, whether Everton 2002 were one of those clubs. Let's be honest, we were.

One realistic measure of success would be, say, achieving better than other teams with comparable budgets; another, for the manager, might be to do better than the managers at the same club who preceded and succeeded you. On both of these measures, his time here was a success. Fergie might subliminally have had ulterior motives, but he was canny and he rated the job Moyes did here so highly that he personally recommended him.

For a team who had been regularly fighting relegation and who were outspent by every team that finished above us and some that didn't, an average 7th place finish, including 4th one year, was a massive improvement from where he found us. We got close to a couple of trophies because he took a poor team and made them better.

I share your frustration that he clearly had his limits, which seemed to cost us those chances of a trophy when they were there. It was galling. The football wasn't always pretty, but it got better over time. There were some poor signings, but some excellent ones for very little money: Coleman, Pienaar, Baines, Cahill, Arteta, Stones, Jags, Lescott, Distin, Yobo. Any one of these would be first name on the team sheet now.

On balance, it's hard to say his first stint with us wasn't successful by any reasonable measure. I'm not convinced his 2nd term here will be as positive tbh. I agree there are better managers out there, but who knows if they would have come? I hope we're not paying him £5m a year and I hope he isn't still manager in 3 years unless we've qualified for Europe or won a trophy. Most importantly, though, I don't want the club relegated. Secondly, it would be nice to see a few goals, or at least shots on target. If nothing improves, it's going to be pretty tough, like, but I think he'll get more out of them than Dyche. Surely...?

Brilliant all of this. It is important to measure success fairly. Spending limitations for us and essentially unlimited funds for all the others reeks. We got handed two points deductions. City is so corrupt and nothing is being done while we sweat to dodge this last PSR ruling. Chelsea sold themselves their own hotel! And one thing for sure is how incredibly out of balance the league is in the treatment of the six and blatant disregard for all the rest. Surviving is fine. Let’s improve now.

 

[davek]

Depends how you define 'success'.

Purists will say it means winning a trophy; some would say Champions League qualification; some would say any European qualification.

For most clubs, these are not realistic definitions. The question is, whether Everton 2002 were one of those clubs. Let's be honest, we were.

One realistic measure of success would be, say, achieving better than other teams with comparable budgets; another, for the manager, might be to do better than the managers at the same club who preceded and succeeded you. On both of these measures, his time here was a success. Fergie might subliminally have had ulterior motives, but he was canny and he rated the job Moyes did here so highly that he personally recommended him.

For a team who had been regularly fighting relegation and who were outspent by every team that finished above us and some that didn't, an average 7th place finish, including 4th one year, was a massive improvement from where he found us. We got close to a couple of trophies because he took a poor team and made them better.

I share your frustration that he clearly had his limits, which seemed to cost us those chances of a trophy when they were there. It was galling. The football wasn't always pretty, but it got better over time. There were some poor signings, but some excellent ones for very little money: Coleman, Pienaar, Baines, Cahill, Arteta, Stones, Jags, Lescott, Distin, Yobo. Any one of these would be first name on the team sheet now.

On balance, it's hard to say his first stint with us wasn't successful by any reasonable measure. I'm not convinced his 2nd term here will be as positive tbh. I agree there are better managers out there, but who knows if they would have come? I hope we're not paying him £5m a year and I hope he isn't still manager in 3 years unless we've qualified for Europe or won a trophy. Most importantly, though, I don't want the club relegated. Secondly, it would be nice to see a few goals, or at least shots on target. If nothing improves, it's going to be pretty tough, like, but I think he'll get more out of them than Dyche. Surely...?

I think he'll get us clear. Then again I think Dyche would have too.

It's an unnecessary destabilisation.

Dyche proved could he do the job but TFG panicked. Now they dont get to make the transition to a new manager with vision and a lot of ambition - they snookered themselves for years with Moyes taking their cash for treading water.

On the success stuff: for a club like Everton the only metric of that is silverware IMO. Other clubs might have a different yardstick, but we shouldn't be dumbing it down. And I dont think many do, tbh. Ild say the vast majority of Everton fans dont consider anything since 1995 as 'success'.

 

[Bob Elstone]

I think he'll get us clear. Then again I think Dyche would have too.

It's an unnecessary destabilisation.

Dyche proved could he do the job but TFG panicked. Now they dont get to make the transition to a new manager with vision and a lot of ambition - they snookered themselves for years with Moyes taking their cash for treading water.

On the success stuff: for a club like Everton the only metric of that is silverware IMO. Other clubs might have a different yardstick, but we shouldn't be dumbing it down. And I dont think many do, tbh. Ild say the vast majority of Everton fans dont consider anything since 1995 as 'success'.

Dyche soiled himself. TFG were ready to back him and he bailed, said he couldn’t get a tune. He forced their hand. Of course he wanted his payoffs so wouldn’t resign. Shows you a side of him.

He was a one dimensional manager who had run out of ideas. Atrocious football as well.

Good riddance.

 

[MikeH72]

I think he'll get us clear. Then again I think Dyche would have too.

It's an unnecessary destabilisation.

Dyche proved could he do the job but TFG panicked. Now they dont get to make the transition to a new manager with vision and a lot of ambition - they snookered themselves for years with Moyes taking their cash for treading water.

On the success stuff: for a club like Everton the only metric of that is silverware IMO. Other clubs might have a different yardstick, but we shouldn't be dumbing it down. And I dont think many do, tbh. Ild say the vast majority of Everton fans dont consider anything since 1995 as 'success'.

So Martinez and Dyche weren’t successes then?

 

[Bryan+]

The second coming of mediocrity.

Moyes
Cahill(?)
Coleman
Baines

Who else will the second generation boys club consist of?

 

[CielosGrises]

Dyche soiled himself. TFG were ready to back him and he bailed, said he couldn’t get a tune. He forced their hand. Of course he wanted his payoffs so wouldn’t resign. Shows you a side of him.

He was a one dimensional manager who had run out of ideas. Atrocious football as well.

Good riddance.

Don't want to get too bitter on Dyche but deffo feel he let us and himself down this season - maybe he's just burnt out - wouldn't blame him.

Giving up with half a season on your contract is not a good look for his next job or do much for the British manager cause.

 

[Bluewolf]

Somebody saying we need to demand an improvement? Isn't that literally the point of getting rid of the previous fella, so we improve? Maybe I missed those posts but I haven't seen any hostility towards Moyes or fellas willing him to fail. His appointment to me, was just very underwhelming.

I think those of us who didn't specifically want Moyes, merely wanted someone new, someone with a different mindset different to what we've seen before. I'm not exactly sure how anyone is going to be 'proven right' (or wrong) whether we win, lose or draw? I assume, closet kopites aside, all of us here want him to win every game including the FA Cup final. I do.

Theres been plenty of posters on here who have said moyes needs to get results over the next two home games.

If you follow my posts back im replying to that.

Obviously we all want to see a improvement and ill be honest with you they would have to be completely incompetent to not see a improvement over dyche.

But if we were to loose the next 3 games that wouldnt be the end of the world and wouldnt mean we haven't improved as a team

 

[Delargeinho]

Depends how you define 'success'.

Purists will say it means winning a trophy; some would say Champions League qualification; some would say any European qualification.

For most clubs, these are not realistic definitions. The question is, whether Everton 2002 were one of those clubs. Let's be honest, we were.

One realistic measure of success would be, say, achieving better than other teams with comparable budgets; another, for the manager, might be to do better than the managers at the same club who preceded and succeeded you. On both of these measures, his time here was a success. Fergie might subliminally have had ulterior motives, but he was canny and he rated the job Moyes did here so highly that he personally recommended him.

For a team who had been regularly fighting relegation and who were outspent by every team that finished above us and some that didn't, an average 7th place finish, including 4th one year, was a massive improvement from where he found us. We got close to a couple of trophies because he took a poor team and made them better.

I share your frustration that he clearly had his limits, which seemed to cost us those chances of a trophy when they were there. It was galling. The football wasn't always pretty, but it got better over time. There were some poor signings, but some excellent ones for very little money: Coleman, Pienaar, Baines, Cahill, Arteta, Stones, Jags, Lescott, Distin, Yobo. Any one of these would be first name on the team sheet now.

On balance, it's hard to say his first stint with us wasn't successful by any reasonable measure. I'm not convinced his 2nd term here will be as positive tbh. I agree there are better managers out there, but who knows if they would have come? I hope we're not paying him £5m a year and I hope he isn't still manager in 3 years unless we've qualified for Europe or won a trophy. Most importantly, though, I don't want the club relegated. Secondly, it would be nice to see a few goals, or at least shots on target. If nothing improves, it's going to be pretty tough, like, but I think he'll get more out of them than Dyche. Surely...?

For me, success is always based on realistic ambitions. And for Everton this shouldn't be relegation battle, ideally it should be Europe qualifications. We won't ever have the financial possibilities of Man City, Chelsea, Man United, Arsenal to name a few. Aston Villa and Newcastle managed to be under the top 4 one season, so why can't we achieve that.

The conference league gave the chance that teams like Roma, Fiorentina, West Ham, Olympiakos, Feyenoord that are by far no names can win titles outside of Europe, but won't have to win the CL. The last underdog that really won it was Porto imo, and that was in 2004.

 

[Trublue12]

Like it or not David Moyes is our manager. We have to behind him and the team.

 

[Blue Willy]

Time to stop moaning about it now, get behind the manager and team, and go again!

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

I think he'll get us clear. Then again I think Dyche would have too.

It's an unnecessary destabilisation.

Dyche proved could he do the job but TFG panicked. Now they dont get to make the transition to a new manager with vision and a lot of ambition - they snookered themselves for years with Moyes taking their cash for treading water.

On the success stuff: for a club like Everton the only metric of that is silverware IMO. Other clubs might have a different yardstick, but we shouldn't be dumbing it down. And I dont think many do, tbh. Ild say the vast majority of Everton fans dont consider anything since 1995 as 'success'.

Everton as a football club hasn’t had success. But that doesn’t mean Moyes wasn’t a success as a manager here. He did an excellent job.

 

[gonetomorrow]

There's no doubt Moyes' appointment has given the club a lift.
We shall see.
Results, dear boy, results.

 

[CrustySack]

I'd like him to consider moisturising a bit more.

He always looks very dry.

Don't want him to go full "Potter glow up" but just a bit of Nivea before bed.

He does weathered does our wee Davey. He could with a few gallons of botox