England 2018

[kenada_blue]

Maybe its not all about the quality of the bid, maybe its about developing of the infrastruture of the game in a develooping country, Russia will get new stadiums, training facilites, transpost links and Fifa will gain increased exposure in one of the the biggest markets in the world. I dont think its about bids to be honest its more about commericality and England wouldnt mean any increased ££££ to Fifa as opposed to Russia. Was the same this with Japan and South Korea/, USA, South Africa and Bladder bringing football home to Germany.

Its all pretty obvious like!

The fact remains that Russian girls are hot, so no complaints here!

Another factor really.

We've got the Olympics....compared to other countries, we dont need the cash or rebuild etc due to that especially when the Olympics are meant to generate a few billion quids worth of income for the country. Having the World Cup 2018 6 years later is well...a bit greedy

Next time a European country could host it is 2030. So that is a mininum of 64 years between world cups held in the UK and probably longer than that. And at least 30 years wait for Italy. 38 years for Spain. 72 years since Scandinavia got it. The Netherlands, have never had it nor have Poland, Austria, or any of the former yugoslavian and warsaw pact countries.

Aegentina who last had it in 1978 will have to wait until at least 2026. 48 years or longer. Brazil, who have won it the most often, had to wait 64 for gods sake.

But Qatar, a tiny country who have never even qulaified for a world cup, get to host it while so many of the giants of the game don't.

I said it before and I'll say it again. This rule that one continent can't have the same tournament twice in 12 years is ridiculous. The result is that Latin America and Europe who supply all the winners, most of the best teams and players, the most passionate supporters and the most media interest get it only half the time. And we get cups held in places like bloody Qatar where nobody gives a [Poor language removed] and the hosts get knocked out in the groups stages.

But its like giving Japan and South Korea, South Africa, USA etc the world cup....its about spreading the football globally...and also tapping into big money markets.

 

[TheBlueGibbon]

Hm the Qatari World Cup could turn out to be a disaster, for example what's going to happen if Israel qualifies?

I think this image says all that needs to be said.

 

[daza_1973]

To be honest the way the world is at the moment planning as far ahead as 2018 is a big risk - 2022 is insane...........

 

[Allezfan]

Another factor really.

We've got the Olympics....compared to other countries, we dont need the cash or rebuild etc due to that especially when the Olympics are meant to generate a few billion quids worth of income for the country. Having the World Cup 2018 6 years later is well...a bit greedy

I don't believe for a second that either Russia or Qatar will make money from the world cup. And I don't believe we'll make money from the olympics either.

South Africa and Brazil aren't going to make money because they had to build too much too quickly and that they won't use them afterwards. (Brazil was admittedly complicated by corruption in that certain suitable stadiums aren't being used due to internal politics.) Russia is in the same boat in having to spend a lot on stadiums and transport links. And Qatar has to do all that and has banned alcohol which is where most world cups make a huge ammount.

And I certainly think we're meant to make a loss on the London games aren't we? I thought I read that somewhere.

 

[kenada_blue]

I don't believe for a second that either Russia or Qatar will make money from the world cup. And I don't believe we'll make money from the olympics either.

South Africa and Brazil aren't going to make money because they had to build too much too quickly and that they won't use them afterwards. (Brazil was admittedly complicated by corruption in that certain suitable stadiums aren't being used due to internal politics.) Russia is in the same boat in having to spend a lot on stadiums and transport links. And Qatar has to do all that and has banned alcohol which is where most world cups make a huge ammount.

And I certainly think we're meant to make a loss on the London games aren't we? I thought I read that somewhere.

The whole thing is economy driven rather than area specific driven. Sure, the local boozer and shops around certain areas will make a mint...but the whole point is to boost the country as a whole. We've spent billions on the Olympics...for that just to a damp squid wont happen - it will make money for the country. It wont be seen but behind the scenes, it makes waves, which is why countries spend millions on pushing bids in the first place. The big factor of the England 2018 bid was the fact it would be the most profitable World Cup ever for Fifa and the UK economy would get a massive boost.

In comparrison to Russia, it'll legitimise it in a football sense. The country and leagues are rich with big rich teams...but Russian football isnt as big as Spain, Italy, Germany etc...Fifa want to make it big and get a pay day out of it - just as Japan and Korea were becoming big in a football sense, or at least from a merchandise/franchise sense so that continent can embrance football. The same with USA 94 - that helped North America embrace football, although its slowly starting to show.

As for Qatar...Well...that's more of a case of dominating the world with football and getting its hooks into one of the richest countries in the world. Who knows what the footballing world is like that far down the line? Its like saying South Africa couldnt do a World Cup.

As for England...its like the national team, the more we stop believing we are the best thing in the world and actually be humble we'll get into Fifa's good books.

And throwing celeb footballers, prime ministers and royalty at Fifa just screamed of despiration

 

[Allezfan]

As for Qatar...Well...that's more of a case of dominating the world with football and getting its hooks into one of the richest countries in the world. Who knows what the footballing world is like that far down the line? Its like saying South Africa couldnt do a World Cup.

South Africa could do a World Cup but it couldn't make a profit from one. I'm just saying the same will happen to Qatar. I'm sure the actual tournament will be very professional.

 

[kenada_blue]

South Africa could do a World Cup but it couldn't make a profit from one. I'm just saying the same will happen to Qatar. I'm sure the actual tournament will be very professional.

Which is why I mentioned its more about hitting a continent that hasnt been promoted for football, like Africa, Asia etc. But Fifa will make lots of money out of it.

Sometimes, its not about corruption etc but they do have a football reason for choosing certain places. Qatar is untapped footballing wise...

 

[Allezfan]

Which is why I mentioned its more about hitting a continent that hasnt been promoted for football, like Africa, Asia etc. But Fifa will make lots of money out of it.

Sometimes, its not about corruption etc but they do have a football reason for choosing certain places. Qatar is untapped footballing wise...

I haven't mentioned corruption. My issue is that I think the World Cup should be held in countries with a strong footballing tradition and past success in the game and it frustrates me that it's so clear that FIFA don't have that as a priority.

 

[pfim]

But its like giving Japan and South Korea, South Africa, USA etc the world cup....its about spreading the football globally...and also tapping into big money markets.

Qatar has a population of 1.7 million. I understand there's money there, but there are only two cities in the entire country and 95% of the land is a desert. It's ridiculous that Australia didn't even make the first cut, a country who is trying to support a domestic league that is struggling. This would have been a major boost.

 

[kenada_blue]

I haven't mentioned corruption. My issue is that I think the World Cup should be held in countries with a strong footballing tradition and past success in the game and it frustrates me that it's so clear that FIFA don't have that as a priority.

I was generalising as most people do think its corrupt and the "reason" we didnt get it etc.

But I agree, in principle...yes, good footballing traditions and nations etc.

But in terms of the global game and the impact Fifa can have globally with football, It common sense they branch out into new territories.

 

[kenada_blue]

Qatar has a population of 1.7 million. I understand there's money there, but there are only two cities in the entire country and 95% of the land is a desert. It's ridiculous that Australia didn't even make the first cut, a country who is trying to support a domestic league that is struggling. This would have been a major boost.

South Africa most recently in terms of history had a race war and still has a massive crime/death rate - not a nice place to visit - but still pulled it off. Sand isnt a major factor.

The Oz shout is a good one...but Im sure that will have a World Cup before England will ever see it again. Matter of time with that IMO

 

[Allezfan]

But in terms of the global game and the impact Fifa can have globally with football, It common sense they branch out into new territories.

FIFA's priorities aren't mine is the point. I don't care if more people in Saudi Arabia or Iran start playing football (lets face it the new territority here isn't Qatar it's the muslim world, in fact if it wasn't for this stupid continent rule I would have suggested Egypt instead). If they want to play then good for them, they're welcome aboard, but I don't see why it should be a priority to try and entice them to.

 

[Allezfan]

South Africa most recently in terms of history had a race war and still has a massive crime/death rate - not a nice place to visit - but still pulled it off. Sand isnt a major factor.

That's nto the point though. Yes Qatar is in a dangerous place in the world but the real issue is that it's very small. Best case scenario is every single person in Qatar becomes a huge football fan and that's still only 1.7 million which just isn't a lot globally. The untapped market we're talking about isn't Qatar: it's Iraq, Iran and Saudi Arabia. We just don't want to actually travel to any of those places.

 

[kenada_blue]

That's nto the point though. Yes Qatar is in a dangerous place in the world but the real issue is that it's very small. Best case scenario is every single person in Qatar becomes a huge football fan and that's still only 1.7 million which just isn't a lot globally. The untapped market we're talking about isn't Qatar: it's Iraq, Iran and Saudi Arabia. We just don't want to actually travel to any of those places.

Again its that continent ideology. South Africa represented Nigeria, Ghana etc as a whole. Qatar represents Iran, Saudi Arabia etc. Its not great in terms of mass spectacle on a football fan wanting traditions but understandable just to penetrate that market. It would eventually happen sooner than later IMO

 

[pfim]

South Africa most recently in terms of history had a race war and still has a massive crime/death rate - not a nice place to visit - but still pulled it off. Sand isnt a major factor.

The Oz shout is a good one...but Im sure that will have a World Cup before England will ever see it again. Matter of time with that IMO

The point is that there are 1.7 million people there and very little room to grow the sport. It's certainly not the only factor in deciding the WC location, but geez, since I can't really see another reason, that's what I'm going with...

And if their squad doesn't make the 2014 or 2018 WCs, look out...handing them an automatic bid would be a travesty.