Euro2020 Knock Out Rounds

[davek]

Good point made in the Athletic analysis of the game that this is the third big game Southgate has seen an early lead sat on and then pegged back mid-way through the second haf as a result of defending deep:

Against Croatia in the SF in Russia in 2018 (pegged back in the 67th minute)
Against Holland in the SF of the Euro Nations in 2019 (pegged back in the 73rd minute)
Against Italy in the Euro 2020 final (pegged back in the 68th minute)

There's no composure or confidence in the team to retain the ball and keep playing. That has to come from the manager.

The penalties are a distraction, even though they're getting the publicity right now.

 

[evilwebby]

Can't think now who said it, think it was a Tifo podcast, but someone claimed they feared for England more playing against Spain than Italy in a final.

Am I missing something? Thought the Italians looked the best team in the knockout stages.

I was of that opinion too, and I stand by it. Spain bossed Italy all over the pitch, took a shootout to split them. I think they would have pulled England apart even easier than Italy managed.

 

[davek]

Ha ha ha. That posing no mark Grealish defending himself for not taking a pen and throwing his manager under the bus. "I wont have people saying I wouldn;t take a 'peno'. I told the manager I was willing to".

Rats jumping from the sinking ship.

 

[Toast]

Good point made in the Athletic analysis of the game that this is the third big game Southgate has seen an early lead sat on and then pegged back mid-way through the second haf as a result of defending deep:

Against Croatia in the SF in Russia in 2018 (pegged back in the 67th minute)
Against Holland in the SF of the Euro Nations in 2019 (pegged back in the 73rd minute)
Against Italy in the Euro 2020 final (pegged back in the 68th minute)

There's no composure or confidence in the team to retain the ball and keep playing. That has to come from the manager.

The penalties are a distraction, even though they're getting the publicity right now.

Mancini and Southgate.

Chalk and Cheese.

Both playing and management career wise.

 

[DanEFC92]

Lolol

 

[tsubaki]

Mancini and Southgate.

Chalk and Cheese.

Both playing and management career wise.

Mancini did lose a final to Wigan though

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Saka's IG last night

 

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[davek]

I personally think we have all been singing from the same hymn sheet, just coming at it from different angles.

My angle is that the squad should be admired for the way they have conducted themselves, not shot down. They are trying to use their position to affect change, will they be successful, most likely not but that is not a reason to give up now. If anything some of the stuff that has already happened should mean they double down on the their rhetoric.

Rashford, especially, has physically looked to change and has been extremely successful. Unfortunately, some people will see him missing a penalty as bigger than what he has achieved off the pitch, hopefully most will recognise that football is a game. What he has done for school children up and down the country is more than a game.

I didn't read the full article, as I have it a few on here put a different context on those comments. I couldn't personally comment though as I did not read the full article.

Yes, but all that stuff is massively overplayed. A good example and no more than that. We cant be looking to footy players to offer a lead against the powerful forces of reaction that have gathered in this country in the last 5 years or so.

You can see now that there's loads out there who are made up to now be taking a knife to Engand players for daring to put progressive viewpoints forward.

Looking to Southgate and his team to change matters is well short of what's needed in this dangerous period we are living through.

 

[BlueToff]

Good point made in the Athletic analysis of the game that this is the third big game Southgate has seen an early lead sat on and then pegged back mid-way through the second haf as a result of defending deep:

Against Croatia in the SF in Russia in 2018 (pegged back in the 67th minute)
Against Holland in the SF of the Euro Nations in 2019 (pegged back in the 73rd minute)
Against Italy in the Euro 2020 final (pegged back in the 68th minute)

There's no composure or confidence in the team to retain the ball and keep playing. That has to come from the manager.

The penalties are a distraction, even though they're getting the publicity right now.

On this point Dave, very right.

Southgate has given me reason to eat my words on him this tournament because ultimately he has got a lot right.

But like I said last night, you can't go 120 mins in a home final and have 6 shots, having 2 on target (1 of them being the first shot and goal of the game). England dominated the first 30 mins yet didn't have another attempt on goal until the 56th minute.

He's not a proactive manager. That's fine because it can still work, but Mancini very much is an in-game, proactive manager, and ultimately they prevailed. While you can never 'deserve' a penalty win, as such, I can't and won't begrudge Italy the win, because they were the better team last night and the best team overall. Just wish I'd have had a bet at 9/1.

 

[davek]

A no mark rat breaking ranks and saving himself.

 

[Woolverhampton_Blue]

still getting over last night's total bottle job.

I don't think that Southgate should be exempt from scrutiny. People think he's the Messiah for leading us to the WC semis, and then Euro final, but we underperformed badly last night, and I think that there's every possibility this tournament is going to prove a false dawn.

Once again we got outplayed and outfought, this time on home turf. Our performance was sub par and tactically inept. The goal aside, did we even force one save from their GK? At the other end, Pickford was our outstanding player, and that is never a good thing when you are in a major final with home advantage. Might have to wait another 55 years before these circumstances come round again.

Southgate has to take some criticism for the way we allowed the game to slip away from us. Having scored so early we were always going to have to soak up pressure. Allowing them to attack at will with no threat on the counter is hard to forgive. Overall they were the better side and deserved it but for a long spell they looked shaken and out of ideas. Not capitalising on that pretty much epitomises this teams major flaw.

 

[toffee matt]

I’m sure all the English journalists who claimed South Africa ,Russia ,Ukraine and the rest would never be capable of holding a major tournament. And that it should be transferred to England are holding their hands up this morning?

 

[Toast]

Mancini did lose a final to Wigan though

Martinez masterclass..

 

[Sharpies volley]

He did exactly what he did when we scored early against Croatia in the WC semi... Nothing. Last night's game was a carbon copy of that game. The more the game went on the deeper we dropped and the opposition took control of the midfield. In the WC it was Modric, last night Verratti and what did super tactician do, absolutely nothing. Kane had a great 1st half. 2nd half he was spent. Change him for DCL. Mount shouldn't have started. Saka and Sterlings pace coming in from the flanks getting behind their centre backs would have been better. After an hour he should have loaded the midfield and tried to hit them on the break. There where times when Chellini was turning up in the no10 position they where so high up the pitch. Southgate got it massively wrong when it mattered, again.