Everton v Liverpool. 14th April at 12.30.

[davek]

Cardiff took Liverpool to the brink....to the very brink.

Cardiff.

I dont think we need to examine the performance of our players - and most of all, our manager - any more closely than that, tbh.

 

[bluejock]

Cardiff took Liverpool to the brink....to the very brink.

Cardiff.

I dont think we need to examine the performance of our players - and most of all, our manager - any more closely than that, tbh.

This couldn't be more correct if it tried.

It's not Liverpool that's the issue. It's us. More pertinently, it's Moyes. He's scared of them. Terrified. He gets a goal up and feels the need to defend that lead.

Ah feck it, I'm not getting into this again. Davek, have at 'em pal.

*buggers off back to Ale House to hide

 

[deliverance]

If you can't see Moyes is the root cause of our fear you wear your underpants on your head when gardening.

Until he goes we'll carry on farting around mid table losing every "fight" of a game ALWAYS losing big games against the RS because we are sh1thouses and they're not.

When "Big Joe" was in charge the "sh1thouse" virus was cured but Moyes has reinfected the place.

In fact so virulent is this strain it's affected some fans.

Knickers.

 

[froggyted]

That may be more to do with those C U N T S getting us banned from europe than us ****ing ourselves over.

I was going to mention that but decided not to, it smacks of bitterness, but now you've brought it up, yes, it was a major factor, but we should still have been strong enough to have got into Europe the year after, or the year after that. Also, although it's a major source of anger, hate even, between RS and ourselves, you have to blame UEFA for that, not RS as a Club. Every Club has its bad faction of supporters, and the authorities should have made sure RS were brought to account and not us, but it just illustrates the distance between decision makers in the game and those at the grass roots. It's no doubt one of the reasons why there's been such a massive delay in introducing goal line technology too.

 

[Great Dane]

Finally a lot of people on here are seeing what me and a lot of others have said for a long time. The negativity from Moyes is like a virus that has infected the entire club. We need him out, and get someone in with new ideas and more than one gameplan.

 

[deliverance]

Heysel is an easy target - it was the same for everyone - being at the top of the tree we were better placed than most.
The theory we lost players to euro footballing clubs hence our demise ignores what we did with the incoming transfer fees.
A very camp excuse for those who ream holes.

 

[Tubey]

Heysel is an easy target - it was the same for everyone - being at the top of the tree we were better placed than most.
The theory we lost players to euro footballing clubs hence our demise ignores what we did with the incoming transfer fees.
A very camp excuse for those who ream holes.

You're joking?

We couldn't attract the same calibre players due to the lack of European football. We broke up the spine of our squad due to no European football. There was absolutely no way we could compete effectively, and by the time the ban was lifted the look of the league had changed - those that hadn't been challenging for Europe beforehand had been able to keep the nucleus of the side and capitalise when the ban was lifted.

Heysel was pretty much the sole reason for our demise in the late 80s. As in about 95% of the reason. This was in an era before the Premier League and the mad money involved.

Imagine Barcelona and Real Madrid being banned from European football for five years now. The whole side would collapse within 12 months and Spanish football itself would become a pariah. They wouldn't come close to winning anything again in Europe for about 15 years due to the rebuilding they'd have to do.

Heysel literally destroyed Everton. It denied us European football for four consecutive seasons.

A camp excuse?

 

[froggyted]

I got home, a few hours ago. It has taken until now to turn laptop on, and in truth the only reason I did it was because I cant talk, I am physically and emotionally drained. So I performed above and beyond the call of duty and I am a few quid lighter, however I wonder how many of the players feel like I /we do right now? there is not enough passion in this squad, there arent many that I would be interested in watching again.

Tactically and particularly against the RS Moyes is terrible, it is time for the kids to get a chance all this wrapping them up and looking after them bollocks is a joke. If Ross Barklay is good enough get him in the ****ing team now. Sick of it, same old get you up then throw you down faster.

Thanks to all the fellow fans, I was proud to be part of it with you. When people took pictures of my banner at the Green Man and then on the Wembley steps I had a tear of pride and passion......shame the players didnt share our passion.

I wonder whether he will though. The trouble is, every position we finish higher in the League means MONEY, and unfortunately that's what rules the game. To a defensive-minded guy such as Moyes i doubt there is ever a 'safe' time throughout the entire season to risk a gamble. I sure hope i'm wrong though, because we need a major shakeup for next season. We signed the services of Ross Barkley, a prospective major talent who other Clubs including Man Utd. were interested in, and now he must feel so frustrated as if he's being left to stagnate in the Reserves. And then there's Shane Duffy and others. It's also imperative that Moyes signs Pienaar and Drenthe longterm too, because we VERY badly missed them yesterday.

 

[snipellis11]

Still feeling gutted about it, it was the first thing on my mind when i woke up, just thinking about how one stupid mistake that probably dosen't even happen once a season lost it for us, i felt we were in control and all we needed to do second half was do more of the same and we would have won.

 

[deliverance]

You're joking?

We couldn't attract the same calibre players due to the lack of European football. We broke up the spine of our squad due to no European football. There was absolutely no way we could compete effectively, and by the time the ban was lifted the look of the league had changed - those that hadn't been challenging for Europe beforehand had been able to keep the nucleus of the side and capitalise when the ban was lifted.

Heysel was pretty much the sole reason for our demise in the late 80s. As in about 95% of the reason. This was in an era before the Premier League and the mad money involved.

Imagine Barcelona and Real Madrid being banned from European football for five years now. The whole side would collapse within 12 months and Spanish football itself would become a pariah. They wouldn't come close to winning anything again in Europe for about 15 years due to the rebuilding they'd have to do.

Heysel literally destroyed Everton. It denied us European football for four consecutive seasons.

A camp excuse?

Please list the names of those clubs in the division who didn't have the same constraints.

Perhaps I misunderstood the ban, were Arsenal or Utd allowed clemency or something?

I await the list with interest.

 

[HibbertsLeftFoot]

Didn't sleep a wink last night.

Firstly, felt so sorry for our utterly amazing fans who went down; the shot of loads crying in stoppage time was heartbreaking. Every Red watching, whether at Wembley or on TV, will have witnessed how they can never be as passionate as us.

Secondly, you have to feel for Cahill, Distin and Neville. Surely their last chance at silverware with us..

Step forward Ross Barkley, Jack Rodwell, Apostolos Vellios et cetera. You have professional contracts at Everton Football Club; the future's all yours.

 

[Azzurri]

Please list the names of those clubs in the division who didn't have the same constraints.

Perhaps I misunderstood the ban, were Arsenal or Utd allowed clemency or something?

I await the list with interest.

They weren't the best in Europe at the time.

 

[deliverance]

They weren't the best in Europe at the time.

Where's the list?

This is some evertonians crutch a subjective propaganda on a par with the idiocy of koppites and suarez "negrito" blindness.

It was the same for everyone yet others flourished and we didn't, it really is that simple.

Like a row of tents.

 

[froggyted]

Hard luck Everton, I hope you manage to win a trophy next season, you deserve it.

I really enjoyed the atmosphere today. Great banter on the way up to Wembley and no aggro whatsoever in the stadium; I didn't hear any of the distasteful chants that I've heard at Anfield and Goodison in recent years which is great. All of the blues I encountered seemed to have taken the defeat very graciously. I was disappointed to see some of our fans uttering needless taunts on Wembley way after the match but otherwise it was the friendliest Merseyside derby I've ever attended and it was an absolute privilege.

Distin's mistake killed you, I felt you were more than comfortable up to that point.

Commiserations guys.

It's nice to see a RS fan come on here with that sort of attitude rather than to gloat. There are good and bad fans with every Club, thanks for posting.

 

[davek]

Heysel is an easy target - it was the same for everyone - being at the top of the tree we were better placed than most.
The theory we lost players to euro footballing clubs hence our demise ignores what we did with the incoming transfer fees.
A very camp excuse for those who ream holes.

You're missing the obvious point that it was Everton that would have gone onto compete in the next season's EC...English teams were peppering the winners enclosure of that tournament for years and we'd have been a major favourite to lift it either that year or the following ones. That would have propelled a club like ours into the stratosphere. To compare the effect on us with Arsenal or United is ludicrous...of course we were effected more.