Farhad Moshiri

[Moomin]

Think it was Barry who texted Jim white off mosh's phone...
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Rom's agent and Barry and possibly texts from Farhad.

 

[Thomasc]

For me, his whole reputation as to him being genuine or not lies on the stadium issue now.

If we have heard nothing about this officially before the end of September from the club, then it will only further serve to the the notion that this is all starting to look a bit disingenuous.

 

[BlueToff]

the way i see it, until the club spend money then i don't believe anything has changed. It is just ridiculous to claim otherwise.

'we left it too late in the window', 'we were trying for loads of deals' it was the boards poor negotiating skills' 'they all turned us down' etc etc etc

What if we just didn't have the money? What is this was the plan all along? the only time we were active was when we sold stones, in fact business brought in 3 players over 2 weeks when the deal went through, gueye just before and bolaisie and williams a week or so afterwards.

If you take a step back for a second, does it really look like we have money? considering i'm sure plenty of people posted in the kopite thread about their sell to buy policy and making a profit, we did no different.

Just a question Ash.

What if we spend money on things like, a new stadium, improved facilities, growing the club commercially - rather than just on transfers?

 

[Ashtonian]

This is a fair point. I do think we have the money but I think more has been put aside for a stadium than previously thought (just my opinion)

The biggest worry for me is that we have a very successful ruthless businessman in charge of Everton who had one objective and failed spectacularly.

Blame whoever you want but the buck stops with him. He or others promised a big warchest, statement signings etc and it looks like we waited for Stones sale before spending big money.

Don't get me wrong, i am not bashing Moshiri or anything like that with my post. I am not denying any of the claims about signing bigger players and whatnot, in fact there is track record from the club to fail in the transfer market.

I just don;t want to have any unrealistic impressions for the future until there is reason to have them. if we had signed a couple more players then i am sure the expectation of the season would be higher than it is now. Personally my expectations for this season when Koeman came in was top 6 and europa league place. Going on our transfer activity, that is still the same aim in my eyes. It Just means this summer was a massive let down in the end and we have to start again in a year.

But yeah, just what if the only difference between kenwright and moshiri is a middle eastern accent? There is no proof otherwise yet that that refute that claim other than assumptions. so expectations now have to be reeled in all round i think, top 6 is still a massive improvement and i do believe we have recruited well to achieve that.

 

[Ashtonian]

Just a question Ash.

What if we spend money on things like, a new stadium, improved facilities, growing the club commercially - rather than just on transfers?

Then i would fully support that idea.

If the club announced that as the plan then it would be fair enough in my eyes. We do need to do that so i would happily see money go through them channels in the short term.

Except there has been radio silence over that as well. If they came out and announced business deals or a new ground or anything like that then from my own personal perspective, that is fine for the club to proceed with over simply spending the money on the pitch

 

[Bullet]

Moshiri, like many successful people, is a good salesman. He needed to convince a protective BK and a reluctant RK so he exaggerated the transfer kitty

So how would he explain a much lower spend than expected? Simple. Make enquiries / offers for unobtainable expensive stars while negotiating hard for lower level ones expecting to land at least one marquee and some budget players before deadline. ‘We tried very hard but don’t yet have the status to land these stars,’ would follow.

What if we just didn't have the money? What is this was the plan all along? the only time we were active was when we sold stones, in fact business brought in 3 players over 2 weeks when the deal went through, gueye just before and bolaisie and williams a week or so afterwards.

A few weeks ago I posited a theory that Mosh had leaked an exaggerated budget.
After the J White text it seems even more plausible as he's clearly not averse to BS.
We're not skint as we desperately tried to spend on TDD but £100m?lol

 

[Ashtonian]

A few weeks ago I posited a theory that Mosh had leaked an exaggerated budget.
After the J White text it seems even more plausible as he's clearly not averse to BS.
We're not skint as we desperately tried to spend on TDD but £100m?lol

Well yes, a spot on idea to be honest. It is easy for people to shoot you down well before today about planning on spending but anyone who questioned it was right.

but here is a thing, bidding for players with no plan to sign them, Promising money at ST renewal time and not delivering? Sell to buy?

Say it quietly but that is what kenwright did for years, and we have just done the exact same thing again.

 

[USABlue]

Then i would fully support that idea.

If the club announced that as the plan then it would be fair enough in my eyes. We do need to do that so i would happily see money go through them channels in the short term.

Except there has been radio silence over that as well. If they came out and announced business deals or a new ground or anything like that then from my own personal perspective, that is fine for the club to proceed with over simply spending the money on the pitch

Stadium deals take a while. Kit bag and chang deals still haven't expired so have to wait to improve on those. People expect everything to change instantly over night and it's not realistic, as well as expecting to know a detailed plan before anything is finalized

 

[USABlue]

Still think people are blowing the transfer thing out of of proportion, was it a massively disappointing end of the window? Yes. I just don't see there being anything sinister or dodgy about it. We were basically that bloke at the bar/club who spent all night hitting on classy birds out of our league only to have to go home to have a sad wank alone watching porn

 

[Ashtonian]

Stadium deals take a while. Kit bag and chang deals still haven't expired so have to wait to improve on those. People expect everything to change instantly over night and it's not realistic, as well as expecting to know a detailed plan before anything is finalized

As i said i would fully support finances going down that avenue rather than simply on the pitch. It is the radio silence on both sides though that is the worrying thing to be honest.

Which is why it is easy then to relate to the 'nothing has changed' point of view. A lot of things may have changed, and far more than we realise. We may announce the new ground and business deals etc by the end of the year. Or we say nothing and it continues.

All i question is what if nothing has changed? We are hanging all our hope on things changing without any actual evidence to form it on other than hope.

 

[USABlue]

As i said i would fully support finances going down that avenue rather than simply on the pitch. It is the radio silence on both sides though that is the worrying thing to be honest.

Which is why it is easy then to relate to the 'nothing has changed' point of view. A lot of things may have changed, and far more than we realise. We may announce the new ground and business deals etc by the end of the year. Or we say nothing and it continues.

All i question is what if nothing has changed? We are hanging all our hope on things changing without any actual evidence to form it on other than hope.

You keep harping on about "radio silence". They can't announce anything that hasn't been finalized so I'm not sure what you expect?

 

[Ihaters]

I don't think the transfer window was underhanded or sinister, just incompetently handled, and we still came out a little better than we went in.. Sadly most have come out significantly improved, but with a new manager, we still have a chance to close the gap between us and the mighty top 10 teams...

 

[toffee matt]

Think it was Barry who texted Jim white off mosh's phone...
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Thanks for reminding me to change radio station

 

[Bullet]

Well yes, a spot on idea to be honest. It is easy for people to shoot you down well before today about planning on spending but anyone who questioned it was right.

but here is a thing, bidding for players with no plan to sign them, Promising money at ST renewal time and not delivering? Sell to buy?

Say it quietly but that is what kenwright did for years, and we have just done the exact same thing again.

I don't think it's sell to buy as we almost blew £30m on Siss but were trying to loan Mc at the same time to get his wages off the books.
We've never behaved like we have a huge budget because, most likely, we don't but we do have RK so we're a lot better off than we would have been without Mosh. For that I'm grateful.

 

[Ashtonian]

You keep harping on about "radio silence". They can't announce anything that hasn't been finalized so I'm not sure what you expect?

Anything mate.

If they were planning things then do something or announce something to at least alleviate tensions in the fan base.

God forbid the season goes a little south by christmas time, who do you think the fans will turn on? won't be Koeman. but it is just shows of intent, we don't need step by step updates, but until they show otherwise then the board is acting the exact same ways as it always has done.