Farhad Moshiri

7+ Years On... Your Verdict On Farhad Moshiri

  • Pleased

    Votes: 110 7.8%
  • Disappointed

    Votes: 1,297 92.2%

  • Total voters
    1,407

Spot on all that.

The word "philosophy" was denigrated by Evertonians when they wanted Martinez out. Not that they didn't have a right to want him out toward the end as it had obviously (for one reason or another) gone west. But what happened was a total reaction against anyone having a method or particular style of playing: many/most just wanted "effort" and talked up the view that "we just want our players to get stuck in". Koeman filled that vacuum gladly by emphasising fitness over style and technique. Then in the summer he dispensed with an orthodox attack and we suddenly had nothing to make all the running round work. Allardyce has compounded it all with his very basic approach to the game. And now we are lacking identity and any sense of what we are as a club.

Pragmatism has failed us. It's time to bring philosophy back.
 

I don't think much blame can be attached to Moshiri here really. He has put his money on the table and it's been gloriously spunked away in spectacular style, paying over the odds for virtually every player we have purchased. Many of them in the wrong age bracket.

He needs to cut his losses now, rip it up. Sell what he can and get rid of those responsible for making the decisions. Be it Walsh, the manager. Getting rid of Elstone and Kenwright might be easier said than done.

It's all a mess. We are in dire straits

During Moshiri's time, Koeman, Walsh and Allardyce have been appointed. You're right it's a mess - but that comes from the top. Who is in charge, Kenwright or Moshiri? Who is in charge of recruitment, tactics, player development? Nobody knows and it appears to be some sort of 'collective responsibility', not really surprising that there's no coherent strategy on or off the pitch when nobody actually has responsibility for such a strategy.

I can't fault Moshiri for providing money, but I'd be a lot more impressed if he showed some leadership, starting with binning Walsh and appointing a DOF who can actually perform the role. I don't think we'll go down, so it makes no odds if we get rid of Allardyce now in that sense but if he's serious about making us a success, our next manager should already be signed and sealed, just awaiting delivery.
 
I don't think much blame can be attached to Moshiri here really. He has put his money on the table and it's been gloriously spunked away in spectacular style, paying over the odds for virtually every player we have purchased. Many of them in the wrong age bracket.

He needs to cut his losses now, rip it up. Sell what he can and get rid of those responsible for making the decisions. Be it Walsh, the manager. Getting rid of Elstone and Kenwright might be easier said than done.

It's all a mess. We are in dire straits


How on earth can no blame be attached to the man at the top?

He’s the main man!

He approves all the hiring of managers and the director of football.

The buck entirely stops With him and it would in any corporate company as well.

Bizarre to claim he’s not accountable or responsibe!
 
The buck won't stop at Moshiri, it can only stop with the manager and that's the way of things. We have seriously lost our way and it strikes me that the players know that Sam is short-term and they've lost any fight (again). I fear we could drop but reckon we'll survive, but the summer needs to herald a complete change of direction, management, coaching and players. I agree with Davek's post about philosophy, it was there with Moyes all the way through and Martinez had it for a season or two, I just don't think he has the intellectual depth to carry it forward in the way that Wenger did at Arsenal.
 
How on earth can no blame be attached to the man at the top?

He’s the main man!

He approves all the hiring of managers and the director of football.

The buck entirely stops With him and it would in any corporate company as well.

Bizarre to claim he’s not accountable or responsibe!
the worst part about all of this is that no one can sack the bungling idiot that is Moshiri
 

Need's to put a stop to this if he's any sort of business man. Take the football away from it and it's a struggling company so baffled how it's become so bad
 
Spot on all that.

The word "philosophy" was denigrated by Evertonians when they wanted Martinez out. Not that they didn't have a right to want him out toward the end as it had obviously (for one reason or another) gone west. But what happened was a total reaction against anyone having a method or particular style of playing: many/most just wanted "effort" and talked up the view that "we just want our players to get stuck in". Koeman filled that vacuum gladly by emphasising fitness over style and technique. Then in the summer he dispensed with an orthodox attack and we suddenly had nothing to make all the running round work. Allardyce has compounded it all with his very basic approach to the game. And now we are lacking identity and any sense of what we are as a club.

Pragmatism has failed us. It's time to bring philosophy back.
This, this, THIS.

Yes, under Martinez we lacked invention when the opposition sat deep. The slower, more methodical brand of football is open to critique when you don't have an abundance of attacking flair. We can all see now why we chased Yarmolenko so long, can't we? Someone, more seasoned than Deulofeu et al, who could beat a man and deliver quality into the box.

Whilst I disagree from a personal perspective of preference, I could understand why there were groans when we were passing CB to CB against sides at home. But with a midfield in front of Barry, McCarthy, Cleverley etc banked in front of Barkley and Lukaku (the latter of which struggles to stamp authority even at his new home in Stretford)... is it any wonder? Had he had the riches afforded to his successors, do we think he would have gone for the likes of Cleverley etc?

Anyway, I promise I am not trying to turn this into another pro-Martinez ramble.

The point is, and one that Davek makes astutely, is we should have looked to tweak and improve a solid foundation that Roberto put in place. So your Tuchels, heck- even your Eddie Howes (not an recommendation on my part, just an example of someone who plays a more expansive brand).

Instead Moshiri ripped it all up and went for a 'Hollywood' manager. One who demanded hard work over any real offering of technique. Sam Allardyce is the next step. There is only one step further to go and that's Pulis with his CBs at FB.

Now we are faced with a choice:

Do we look to try and piece together the theory of Roberto's 'dream' or do we sweep it all away, back the pragmatism to the hilt and build a new squad accordingly?

I know which way i'd rather go...
 

This, this, THIS.
Yes, under Martinez we lacked invention when the opposition sat deep. The slower, more methodical brand of football is open to critique when you don't have an abundance of attacking flair. We can all see now why we chased Yarmolenko so long, can't we? Someone, more seasoned than Deulofeu et al, who could beat a man and deliver quality into the box.
Whilst I disagree from a personal perspective of preference, I could understand why there were groans when we were passing CB to CB against sides at home. But with a midfield in front of Barry, McCarthy, Cleverley etc banked in front of Barkley and Lukaku (the latter of which struggles to stamp authority even at his new home in Stretford)... is it any wonder? Had he had the riches afforded to his successors, do we think he would have gone for the likes of Cleverley etc? Anyway, I promise I am not trying to turn this into another pro-Martinez ramble.
The point is, and one that Davek makes astutely, is we should have looked to tweak and improve a solid foundation that Roberto put in place. So your Tuchels, heck- even your Eddie Howes (not an recommendation on my part, just an example of someone who plays a more expansive brand).

Instead Moshiri ripped it all up and went for a 'Hollywood' manager. One who demanded hard work over any real offering of technique. Sam Allardyce is the next step. There is only one step further to go and that's Pulis with his CBs at FB.

Now we are faced with a choice:

Do we look to try and piece together the theory of Roberto's 'dream' or do we sweep it all away, back the pragmatism to the hilt and build a new squad accordingly?

I know which way i'd rather go...
Yes mate, baby was thrown out with the bathwater. That's because so many of our fans were weaned on the Moyes years of being solid though uninspiring. Pragmatism is in their DNA and though they allowed themselves to be seduced by Martinez's first season results and lauded them, they very quickly ran back to the comfort zone of being solid and extolling the virtues of hard work over style.

I think though that Martinez at least hinted at a different way to play to mere pragmatism and fans are more open to a manager who can come in and ally effort to a progressive method of play.
 
Yes mate, baby was thrown out with the bathwater. That's because so many of our fans were weaned on the Moyes years of being solid though uninspiring. Pragmatism is in their DNA and though they allowed themselves to be seduced by Martinez's first season results and lauded them, they very quickly ran back to the comfort zone of being solid and extolling the virtues of hard work over style.

I think though that Martinez at least hinted at a different way to play to mere pragmatism and fans are more open to a manager who can come in and ally effort to a progressive method of play.
do me a favour mate.
write an article or do some sort of podcast.
You're bang on the money.
Just don't talk about Baines. I don't like it when you do that. lol;)
 

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