Germany v England. Sunday 27th June @ 15.00.

[chicoazul]

The Premier League without the foreign cats would be a farce.

England need to kick on from this and overhaul. Players need to be on form and place and not reputation.

Culling the self important media might help too, they really don't help. There were players out there who believe their own hype.

England are average on the international stage, build something sustainable with humility.

 

[Jamo Martinez]

This thing about improving technique has been around for decades. The setting up of places like Lilleshall was supposed to lead to a golden generation of excellently drilled players using their talents to the max. Ditto the club academies. I think English players have that technique but they just haven't got the mindset to go with it. Our Premier League might be the most exciting in the world (most of the time!), but it rely'son end to end stuff and getting the ball forward asap. It's littered with errors. I know that's all a bit glib, but the core is sound: technique is not the issue...poise and tactics (or rather the ability to comprehend tactics and carry them out) are the issue. Compare that load of hurry scurry tripe with the way most other teams at the world cup play. I think there's only Ireland and Norway (two heavily EPL influenced nations) that play in the same vein.

I think Brooking mentioned Lilleshall but wanted to dig deeper and change the british mindset from very early age at schools. 8 year olds shsould be encouraged to put their foot on the ball and look up. But you've got their parents on the sidelines shouting 'get rid' at the first sign of pressure.
You're right about tactics but you do need a minimum level of technique to put them into practice. Terry and Upson punting the ball foreward or passing it back to James so he can punt it foreward has me hanging my head in my hands. The problem is that it's not the defenders' faults. Though it would be nice to have a technically gifted Centre half who can bring the ball out in the way Ronald Koeman, for example, used to do, the movement from the midfield was appalling. Today was a complete shambles for me. No discipline when it was required (Yes you Johnson), and no improvisation when it was required.
Oh for a Mikel Arteta instead of a Gareth frikkin Barry. Or a Sebastian Schweinsteiger. He's curbed his natural instincts as an attacking midfielder and plays the deep lying playmaker alongside Khedira (comments about German discipline are more than welcome here). Ozil and Mueller are taking all the praise and they do look boss players, but Basti's been the key for me.
Where was I? Oh yeah, England are shoite. But the German team have seduced me. Hope they batter Argentina if that's who they play.

 

[chicoazul]

Germany are boss.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

If anything Hibbo doesn't give 80 yards of space to a german winger and if probably a better defender than anyone on the England back 4.

So true. At least based on the English performance this tournament.

I hate to say this after the group stages I had a great fear the scoreline would be this way today mainly due to the back four. Sad really.

 

[Rook]

So true. At least based on the English performance this tournament.

I hate to say this after the group stages I had a great fear the scoreline would be this way today mainly due to the back four. Sad really.

Even if they lost 3-1 I thought England made a good account of themselves as they played pretty exciting footie. But the last goal was a disaster just pure laziness from Barry and that combined with Johnson's ineptness on defense is not a good combo.

 

[kenada_blue]

It's not all about the foreign players, English players do bring a balance that makes the League what it is, fast, exciting, end to end but we good ability mixed into it. But it's the other side of the game which English players struggle with, there's no doubt about it.

International football is geared towards composure, discipline and intelligence. When they aren't around there foreign buddies (more than not the more technical players in the team) they struggle.

This England team isn't awful but people are deluding themselves if they think it's close to the top teams in the World. The talent of these players is massively overhyped, and it's no surprise that people put it down to a lack of effort or passion, it sums it up really.

this. Look at teams like mexico, chilie and even the japanese ffs who have players playin in sub par leagues compared to the prem who have better composure and movement than the 100k a week men on show today.

What is good about the result is that those ego driven and overpaid players wont be there next tournement

which is why i think don fab should stay. Hell get binned though cos the press will force him out. But hes probably the most succesfull and expirenced manager england have ever had. Now the bellend terrys and gerrards are out, he doesnt have to put the new younger players like ya rodwells and milners in there place. They will listen and learn and do what he says

fab as made mistakes but now hell have a clean slate player wise.

But if redknapp got the job id stop watchin them

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

Even if they lost 3-1 I thought England made a good account of themselves as they played pretty exciting footie. But the last goal was a disaster just pure laziness from Barry and that combined with Johnson's ineptness on defense is not a good combo.

The game was great for the neutral. But for me I had a bad feeling about things. Rooney never got out of first gear all tournament long. A total bust really. Defoe really didn't show what I would have hoped either. Major renovation to the squad to be a World power again. We just looked slow and tired you could see it in the faces. No confidence.

 

[chicoazul]

If Capello is jibbed then its crazy. Give the lid time to build a new team, swerve the knee jerk for once.

 

[carlos21]

crap game today chico

 

[Goat]

If Capello is jibbed then its crazy. Give the lid time to build a new team, swerve the knee jerk for once.

What so he can play Heskey some more?

He must go, he managed to get a side full of World Class players to play like Bolton reserves, im sorry but thats not good enough for England, it might be acceptable for the Scots, but not England.

 

[davek]

I think Brooking mentioned Lilleshall but wanted to dig deeper and change the british mindset from very early age at schools. 8 year olds shsould be encouraged to put their foot on the ball and look up. But you've got their parents on the sidelines shouting 'get rid' at the first sign of pressure.
You're right about tactics but you do need a minimum level of technique to put them into practice. Terry and Upson punting the ball foreward or passing it back to James so he can punt it foreward has me hanging my head in my hands. The problem is that it's not the defenders' faults. Though it would be nice to have a technically gifted Centre half who can bring the ball out in the way Ronald Koeman, for example, used to do, the movement from the midfield was appalling. Today was a complete shambles for me. No discipline when it was required (Yes you Johnson), and no improvisation when it was required.
Oh for a Mikel Arteta instead of a Gareth frikkin Barry. Or a Sebastian Schweinsteiger. He's curbed his natural instincts as an attacking midfielder and plays the deep lying playmaker alongside Khedira (comments about German discipline are more than welcome here). Ozil and Mueller are taking all the praise and they do look boss players, but Basti's been the key for me.
Where was I? Oh yeah, England are shoite. But the German team have seduced me. Hope they batter Argentina if that's who they play.

Oh yeah, I wasn't suggesting you can do without technique, just that the PL circus (fans/media) pulp all that into what Chris Waddle earlier today called Basketball Football. It's not all bad, of course. We're the same naton that brought through a talent like Paul Scholes who most of the Euro greats think was pound for pound the most technically accomplished player on the continent. Some people obviously get lucky (Kidd - who also got the Euro plaudits as a coach - was at United at the time Giggs, Scholes came through, for example). Totally agree with you on Schweinsteiger - a prince amongst men there today.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

Schweinsteiger is a player.

I wonder if the Bainsey Homesickness had a affect on Rooney?

 

[Seamus Colemole]

Just a thought, but with all this talk of video replays, if there had been an extra official behind the goal like in Europa League matches surely they would of spotted that the ball was over the line.

 

[Ara]

OMG what a win for England, 4-1 we stuffed the Germans, o wait we were Red..

well played Germany. you lump it up field and put it in the net worked perfectly.

In all serous Germany played us off the park. Capello refused to play any other formation then 4-4-2 and doesn't have a clue. He can't speak English, so how the hell can he fire you up to go out there and win.
Rooney was crap, waste of speace and should of been taken off.

Gl Germany in the nex round.

 

[chicoazul]

What so he can play Heskey some more?

He must go, he managed to get a side full of World Class players to play like Bolton reserves, im sorry but thats not good enough for England, it might be acceptable for the Scots, but not England.

You ripped down your Gerrard poster yet lad?

Its this type of media driven witch hunt which doesn't serve England well, you need to get over it. Look at the previous managers: McLaren, Erikkson, Keegan, Hoddle: they've all been hounded out by a blood thirsty public and media.

Maybe some self realisation that England aren't as good as they would like to think they are, and a long term strategy would be the way forward. The Golden Generation (sniggers*) are coming to an end now, so the next job is to build on.

Up until three weeks ago Capello was the messiah and all that, one [Poor language removed] tournament shouldn't ruin a really good qualifying campaign prior to that. Every manager needs time, was you shouting for Moyes' head in 2005 lid?

I'm trying to help you here like.