neil999
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Scotland is fascinating, its pretty much a one party country now(snp polling at over 50%) i wonder if there needs to be another nationalist party emerging but with a different ideology to challenge them?
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Scotland is fascinating, its pretty much a one party country now(snp polling at over 50%) i wonder if there needs to be another nationalist party emerging but with a different ideology to challenge them?
Labour need to keep a bit quite for a few weeks and hope the Tories , get up to a bit of infighting , they have been under the media microscope for months the tories have sat back and lapped it up.
Should use the time to get people back on side if only to give the allusion of unity to the public.
There wasn't anything to drag people back to vote labour , out of that conference most of the main speakers did OK, but listening to some of the lesser lights , agriculture minister etc , they look lightweight and talk in a sort of way that goes down well in the student union circle's but leaves the rest of us thinking have you ever done a thing in real life outside of politics or pressure groups.
Ukip will not go away , wishful thinking, expect Nigel back at some point,.
SNP are there for the taking, any thoughts of a break up , are looking financially shot, the EU saying they would have to reapply have made them vulnerable,
Labour need to box clever there and could have an impact, unfortunately no sign of that happening..
On the brexit thing they just can't get it into there head the majority of people in the country wanted out no matter how shocking it was to them, it's because we were lied to, fed up hearing that,both sides did that, and most could see through it, they lost the argument pure and simple, were it matters in the ballot box .
On immigration if that's why people voted , well ask why was that, it's not a crime to have a different view and everyone didn't buy into free movement or large scale immigration, you can't just bury your head and just repeat the they lied to mantra and hope they go away.
Should engage with them and deal with the problems not pour scorn on the by the likes of Abbott , thornberry etc.
Hope I am wrong but unless something drastic happens the Tories have the next election in the bag.
No good having a party that can't reach out. Behond its members to the larger public or even some of its natural support in the past
Does anybody truly believe anything that has happened ,that has brought it nearer to achieving a breakthrough on that score?
I honestly think they are heading for a monumental election defeat.
Should use the time to get people back on side if only to give the allusion of unity to the public.
There wasn't anything to drag people back to vote labour , out of that conference most of the main speakers did OK, but listening to some of the lesser lights , agriculture minister etc , they look lightweight and talk in a sort of way that goes down well in the student union circle's but leaves the rest of us thinking have you ever done a thing in real life outside of politics or pressure groups.
Ukip will not go away , wishful thinking, expect Nigel back at some point,.
SNP are there for the taking, any thoughts of a break up , are looking financially shot, the EU saying they would have to reapply have made them vulnerable,
Labour need to box clever there and could have an impact, unfortunately no sign of that happening..
On the brexit thing they just can't get it into there head the majority of people in the country wanted out no matter how shocking it was to them, it's because we were lied to, fed up hearing that,both sides did that, and most could see through it, they lost the argument pure and simple, were it matters in the ballot box .
On immigration if that's why people voted , well ask why was that, it's not a crime to have a different view and everyone didn't buy into free movement or large scale immigration, you can't just bury your head and just repeat the they lied to mantra and hope they go away.
Should engage with them and deal with the problems not pour scorn on the by the likes of Abbott , thornberry etc.
Hope I am wrong but unless something drastic happens the Tories have the next election in the bag.
No good having a party that can't reach out. Behond its members to the larger public or even some of its natural support in the past
Does anybody truly believe anything that has happened ,that has brought it nearer to achieving a breakthrough on that score?
I honestly think they are heading for a monumental election defeat.
Blue 1
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Guy Fawkes wanted a Catholic theocracy.
joey_macmo
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a bit like Tony blair then heylol
Interesting article about how people on the right can move the centre:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/29/daniel-hannan-the-man-who-brought-you-brexit
even though some here believe it is impossible to have any popular opinion left of Blair.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/29/daniel-hannan-the-man-who-brought-you-brexit
even though some here believe it is impossible to have any popular opinion left of Blair.
peteblue
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Terrible haircut though......
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I'd also like them to be patriots......
Pienaar's gloves
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He is mate. He's proud of this country.
I've no doubt that the man is proud of our multi-culturalism and our achievements.
But he's not a Christian and he's not a royalist.
He doesn't fit the stereotypical definition of patriotism, I would argue that his version is better. Pride in our public services, pride in our industries etc. etc.
"What’s pro-British about a government that slashes support for serving soldiers and military veterans? How is it patriotic to take money from the poorest, from working families, and hand control of your country to a super-rich elite?"
- Jeremy Corbyn
Bickering over Europe is in the Tory DNA and when they do they play dirty. Can see the next election being similar to 1997 when over 4 million voters ditched the Tories, due to in-fighting over Europe, sex scandals, cash for questions, dodgy arms deals and general sleaze.
I'm proud of my country but I believe in the 21st century there is no place for monarchy. I respect majority think there is but would like to see the national anthem changed. 1 in 5 are republicans - a national anthem is supposed to unite not divide.
I think you've sort of missed the point there. The Tories couldn't get elected on a far right platform, so under Cameron they moved more central overall. Never quite centre right, but central enough to be electable.
Labour did the same thing with Blair.
The lesson is that Britain votes for moderate choices and do not like extremes of either variety. That's why pragmatism is key to winning elections - you have to be centre left or centre right, or you have to rely on the opposition not being either as well. As long as we have a Tory party who are not extreme right, where their heads have well and truly fallen off, then the likes of Corbyn - an extreme left marxist - will be easy pickings at any election you care to think of.
That's why people say Corbyn is unelectable, because he represents a completely unacceptable risk to the middle- and upper-classes in this country, and in the case of Corbyn even the lower classes dislike him. It's ideology over common sense - if Corbyn had any designs on getting in power to practice his ideology (which he clearly doesn't), he'd have a completely different platform.
Instead, he just panders to the politics of protest and student union debate clubs. In fact, if an election was called tomorrow, the result would be so one sided that it'd be scarcely believable - indeed, I think the only reason May hasn't called a snap election is because she'd be accused of opportunism by simply destroying a completely pathetic opposition.
magicjuan
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Do you think the middle classes are risk free under the Tories?
No, but the key is they think the risk is far less than under a Labour government under Miliband or Corbyn. The "shy Tory" factor is a real thing - see how the polls were wrong for Kinnock and Miliband. And, ultimately, it's what they think that matters, because they are the ones voting, and a massive part of who ultimately wins.
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