magicjuan
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Seriously, I don't get the point you're making there, could you explain?
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Seriously, I don't get the point you're making there, could you explain?
neil999
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Toffeelover
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Conference over!
Have to say and many will take umbrage but if what Corbyn said in his speech plus what Momentum are pushing if Labour use this as their manifesto and they were elected it would be an unmitigated disaster for the country.
To raise CT by 1.5% will mean prices up, inflation up, demand for increased wages and so the viscous circle of the 70s and 80s will return.
Add to that with the repeal of the Trade Union Act the country will be back to the free for all car park voting!
Unemployment will rise.
With the increase in CT this could well be the tipping point for banking and large manufacturing companies to relocate to mainland Europe and unemployment jumping way up and the tax revenues falling.
The 500 billion, to be from tax rises and borrowing so another viscous circle commences. How will it be repaid? Over how long? in addition to the budget deficit. We would be in a worst state than in 2008!
Said to be for infrastructure, okay what infrastructure? if it is for road, railways these are just short term employment jobs. What is needed is manufacturing jobs that go on for years. We need to attract business and this manifesto will scare them away.
As for the minimum wage increase to £10 per hour, the Tories were going for £9 per hour anyway. So little difference but £10 could well push people into tax/NI deductions so would be self defeating. Also small business have indicated they would have to put prices up or cut jobs! So Labour say we will give you a subsidy - more public money. To administer this will require some 200 more civil servants, at what cost? Be far better to drop it and employ 20 more nurses!!
Then immigration, none of them seem to have a clue, Corbyn looking at unlim,ted immigration and subsidies for those areas where the figures will be high, others saying it must be controlled. What a mess.
Now ban arm sales to countries with poor HR, which means reduced profits, less tax, unemployment up and finally perhaps some business packing up and shipping out! Meanwhile other counties will jump in and say thank you very much. Another piece of idiocy from Corbyn! The way to change countries and their HR is to talk.
Still wants rid of Trident, keep it of the manifesto but if elected then do it and screw the thousands of jobs depending on it. Same short blinkered approach to fracking.
There are more points but I shall leave it at that and say welcome to the New Old Labour.
Have to say and many will take umbrage but if what Corbyn said in his speech plus what Momentum are pushing if Labour use this as their manifesto and they were elected it would be an unmitigated disaster for the country.
To raise CT by 1.5% will mean prices up, inflation up, demand for increased wages and so the viscous circle of the 70s and 80s will return.
Add to that with the repeal of the Trade Union Act the country will be back to the free for all car park voting!
Unemployment will rise.
With the increase in CT this could well be the tipping point for banking and large manufacturing companies to relocate to mainland Europe and unemployment jumping way up and the tax revenues falling.
The 500 billion, to be from tax rises and borrowing so another viscous circle commences. How will it be repaid? Over how long? in addition to the budget deficit. We would be in a worst state than in 2008!
Said to be for infrastructure, okay what infrastructure? if it is for road, railways these are just short term employment jobs. What is needed is manufacturing jobs that go on for years. We need to attract business and this manifesto will scare them away.
As for the minimum wage increase to £10 per hour, the Tories were going for £9 per hour anyway. So little difference but £10 could well push people into tax/NI deductions so would be self defeating. Also small business have indicated they would have to put prices up or cut jobs! So Labour say we will give you a subsidy - more public money. To administer this will require some 200 more civil servants, at what cost? Be far better to drop it and employ 20 more nurses!!
Then immigration, none of them seem to have a clue, Corbyn looking at unlim,ted immigration and subsidies for those areas where the figures will be high, others saying it must be controlled. What a mess.
Now ban arm sales to countries with poor HR, which means reduced profits, less tax, unemployment up and finally perhaps some business packing up and shipping out! Meanwhile other counties will jump in and say thank you very much. Another piece of idiocy from Corbyn! The way to change countries and their HR is to talk.
Still wants rid of Trident, keep it of the manifesto but if elected then do it and screw the thousands of jobs depending on it. Same short blinkered approach to fracking.
There are more points but I shall leave it at that and say welcome to the New Old Labour.
Toffeelover
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So what,
neil999
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When asked by the journalist Anthony Hilton why he was so opposed to the EU, Murdoch is said to have replied: “When I go into Downing Street, they do what I say; when I go to Brussels, they take no notice.”
His meetings with British leaders became public when he told an influential committee of MPs that he “often entered Downing Street by the back door”.
i ahve no problem with the press saying whatever they want even trying to influence public opinion
but murdoch wants to directly influence and even have control over policy, do you not think this is concerning?
Toffeelover
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No more than McCluskey wants to influence Labour or the other Trade Union leaders want to do.
neil999
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not really
Toffeelover
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Oh boy,
joey_macmo
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@Toffeelover
CT would be the same level as it is now.
Why would there be such a difference to what's happening right now?
Edit: in fact if the increase is less than 1.5% it would still be less than the current level wouldn't it?
CT would be the same level as it is now.
Why would there be such a difference to what's happening right now?
Edit: in fact if the increase is less than 1.5% it would still be less than the current level wouldn't it?
neil999
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not sure why you cant tell the difference between a trade union and a media mogul
Toffeelover
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No it was said to increase CT by 1.5% so how can that be the same level as now or lower???
We are talking of the future, 2020 is when the next election is, very different to now.
Toffeelover
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Our CT rates in comparison to our major competitors are very low, the rise won't have 1/100th the impact leaving the EU will have. If once Brexit starts to happen the backside falls out of our economy the blame will be pointed squarely at the tories - they instigated the referendum, they've oversaw negotiations and they will have agreed the terms.
George Eaton has fleshed ou the £500 Billion details which Corbyn / McDonnell sources have fed him. It's over a 10 year period, 1/2 of which will come from the private sector in the form of loophole tightening and tax crackdowns (Estimated at £25 Billion a year - in the grand scheme of things not an outlandish).
Infrastructure improvements will go on for decades, the original cash injection will be designed to get schemes up and running - the idea being as the economy grows do to this injections more schemes can be funded. It worked in the mid 90s in both France and Germany.
I disagree with him on immigration, I think it could be his undoing but he's brave to take this route. The populist stance which even the europhiles like Chucka are taking is to cap, a red line if you will of Brexit negotiations. Corbyn is right in what he is saying - the problem is underfunding, areas already at breaking point due to austerity measures can't cope however the narrative has been wrote (blame they neighbour). The national education fund is also a brilliant idea
Banning arms to countries committing war crimes is right and proper. Why would you want us to keep feeding a country weapons who are indirectly carrying out such atrocities?! All for an extra few quid?! Capitalism gone mad!!
Despite current tensions trident won't be altered from current policy. Both Lewis & Corbyn have confirmed that. Corbyn is far too reliant on the support of unite to push through such a position anyway
His policies when you cast an eye to other countries like Denmark are perfectly normal, the politics however of this country have traditionally always been right leaning
You're delusional.
Toffeelover
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Just a quickie chewee, on CT we need to be lower than our competing countries. WE need to attract business in, that will grow the economy and create jobs. Higher taxes will encourage business to look abroad. As the £500 billion - half from the private sector and 25 form tacking tax issues - nonensense. It takes up to 3 years to train a Tax Inspector to take on business and accountants, even when a company is looked at it can take up to 5 years to get to a settlement which does not guarantee payment! Labour have it wrong BTW the only illegal activity is evasion not avoidance. Infrastructure, what are they proposing - note no details just pie in the sky. On the subject of arm sales, we would lose jobs, far better to talk as I said.
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