Hilary Benn Sacked From The Shadow Cabinet - wider political debate

[Toffeelover]

You're delusional.

So they do not want to affect Labour policy?

 

[peteblue]

not sure why you cant tell the difference between a trade union and a media mogul

One's an overpaid cretin and the other is an overpaid cretin........

 

[neil999]

One's an overpaid cretin and the other is an overpaid cretin........

they both have bad hair too..

 

[joey_macmo]

No it was said to increase CT by 1.5% so how can that be the same level as now or lower???

We are talking of the future, 2020 is when the next election is, very different to now.

Because there is already a proposed reduction. He said on Sunday he would "increase" it to 20% (which is the same as what it is now)

 

[Blue 1]

Niether have any right to dictate or influence policy.

The Labour party was created to represent the trade Unions. They have every right to influence policy.

You don't seem to have Amy problem with big business influencing policy.

 

[neil999]

The Labour party was created to represent the trade Unions. They have every right to influence policy.

You don't seem to have Amy problem with big business influencing policy.

that bloomin amy, always sticking her oar in

 

[joey_macmo]

Because there is already a proposed reduction. He said on Sunday he would "increase" it to 20% (which is the same as what it is now)

With regards to this he might've said "around" 20% so I'll wait and see what the actual proposals are first before taking the point further.

 

[Joey66]

The Labour party was created to represent the trade Unions. They have every right to influence policy.

You don't seem to have Amy problem with big business influencing policy.

Representing them is not being told what to do by them Maclustit is a waste of space bully boy!
Needs someone like Jezza in to control him!

 

[davek]

Have said as much a couple of times earlier in the thread.

Don't know why people are allowing themselves to be distracted by the cabal who want to maintain the political status quo (Murdochs, the 'absolutely impartial' beeb, the tories, and bliarists) of the divide (Caused by the bliarists) in the Labour party.

These negotiations are gonna create a lot of headaches for the tories; hence the reason they prefer the spotlight to be on the divide in the opposition. No way will they keep the euro-sceptics sweet enough throughout the transition - and those euro-sceptics weren't labelled 'b'stards' for nowt...

Of course you'll hear each & every one of them say: "This government wants a strong opposition...But Corbyn won't provide one..blah blah blah".

And they'll continue to do so right up to the moment when the likes of cash & bone rear up their ugly heads and start creating all sorts of unrest and schisms in their own party which will put the spotlight straight back on them.

And that's when the bell starts tolling.

A couple of by-election results going Labour's way and the polls narrowing will start squeezing the Tories; it wont galvanise them (they're way beyond that after Brexit), it'll have them pointing fingers at each other and in-fighting. May is the new John Major: installed to try and keep the peace on Europe but who doesn't have the stature to keep the whole house of cards upright.

 

[davek]

Scotland is fascinating, its pretty much a one party country now(snp polling at over 50%) i wonder if there needs to be another nationalist party emerging but with a different ideology to challenge them?

The SNP have nationalism sown up north of the border. It's an inclusive nationalism and the only other form would be of the fascist variety, and Scottish society is a million miles away from that...apart from a few thousand Rangers supporters.

 

[Joey66]

A couple of by-election results going Labour's way and the polls narrowing will start squeezing the Tories; it wont galvanise them (they're way beyond that after Brexit), it'll have them pointing fingers at each other and in-fighting. May is the new John Major: installed to try and keep the peace on Europe but who doesn't have the stature to keep the whole house of cards upright.

Bi election coming up Labour no chance of winning it, its Davy boys constuancy lol

 

[Caolam]

Then the clue is in re read my post and find the context, it will lead you to the point.

It may help if you slow down your rapier like wit, give yourself time to digest the information...

I get and agree with what you say, I still say the Scottish Nationalists, even though they agree with many of the socialist policies Jeremy Corbyn espouses, would stand against Labour and win because of the nationalist element.

Your fundamental point is very relevant, people who claim to be centre left attack Corbyn personally, no one seems interested in what he has to say or the policies he is putting forward. The anti-Semitic issues within the party are a case in point, they have been there for years, Corbyn has continuously said they have no place in the Labour Party but still they use it as a stick to beat him. A bit like the he is un-electable, he seems to be doing OK to me .

 

[davek]

Bi election coming up Labour no chance of winning it, its Davy boys constuancy lol

They dont have to win it, just demonstrate a significant swing there. Other by-elections will be upcoming soon enough. The one to replace Jo Cox will be uncontested though.

 

[Joey66]

They dont have to win it, just demonstrate a significant swing there. Other by-elections will be upcoming soon enough. The one to replace Jo Cox will be uncontested though.

Yes they will deffo win that one it's an ex Corrie actor?

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

A couple of by-election results going Labour's way and the polls narrowing will start squeezing the Tories; it wont galvanise them (they're way beyond that after Brexit), it'll have them pointing fingers at each other and in-fighting. May is the new John Major: installed to try and keep the peace on Europe but who doesn't have the stature to keep the whole house of cards upright.

It's not me you've got to convince mate. I've more or less said all this before.

They dont have to win it, just demonstrate a significant swing there.

It's the heart of the chipping norton set, and thus can easily be disregarded as any sort of pointer. Tbh, it wouldn't surprise me to see the tories increase their majority, despite a local (tory) council petitioning/criticising camoron over the cuts.