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Hilary Benn Sacked From The Shadow Cabinet - wider political debate

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Toffeelover said:
Disagree Dave, the majority of our population voted to save the country from going over the cliff.
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Well, I have (and had) no dog in that Brexit fight, tbh. I meant 'over the cliff' not in the sense that it's an obviously bad outcome, just that it is all now uncertain as to what happens. Cameron was responsible for that eventuality by promising a referendum he felt sure he'd never have to deliver...but then he went and won a majority in the 2015 election...which was unfortunate for him.
 
Labours future leaders protesting at the Tory conference called Owen Jones "Tory scum" not knowing who he was or the fact he was there as a reporter.
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This is a fine bit of popcorning if ever there was.

https://works.bepress.com/davideticchi/11/

"A partially self-interested left-wing party may implement (entrenchment) policies reducing the income of its own constituency, the lower class, in order to consolidate its future political power. Such policies increase the net gain that low-skill agents obtain from income redistribution, which only the Left (but not the Right) can credibly commit to provide, and therefore may help offsetting a potential future aggregate ideological shock averse to the left-wing party."

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Sigh.. as labour moves to left the tories are allowed to move further to the right, the parallels with the 1980s become more apparent, there will be another cold war next...
 

neil999 said:
Sigh.. as labour moves to left the tories are allowed to move further to the right, the parallels with the 1980s become more apparent, there will be another cold war next...
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The Tories are becoming more and more centrist I'm afraid. Cameron's government was very liberal, and May has continued that further. The Chancellor has just promised to borrow £2 billion for housing (something unthinkable under Osborne), whilst the DWP work assessment schemes have been stopped. May hasn't rushed into Brexit either (as many on the far right would have), giving us more time to assess and prepare for negotiations after triggering Article 50.

The government is adopting populist, centrist policies at the moment, knowing that UKIP are shambles to their right, and Labour are an even bigger shambles to the left. That is a very smart move with the electorate. Hence, some polls have the Tories on 43%, incredible for a sitting party.
 
WycombeToffee said:
The Tories are becoming more and more centrist I'm afraid. Cameron's government was very liberal, and May has continued that further. The Chancellor has just promised to borrow £2 billion for housing (something unthinkable under Osborne), whilst the DWP work assessment schemes have been stopped. May hasn't rushed into Brexit either (as many on the far right would have), giving us more time to assess and prepare for negotiations after triggering Article 50.

The government is adopting populist, centrist policies at the moment, knowing that UKIP are shambles to their right, and Labour are an even bigger shambles to the left. That is a very smart move with the electorate. Hence, some polls have the Tories on 43%, incredible for a sitting party.
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Camerons government were not very Liberal and today's speeches were far from centrist with regards to immigration.
 
joey_macmo said:
Camerons government were not very Liberal and today's speeches were far from centrist with regards to immigration.
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They are hitting all the right notes for the overwhelming majority of Britons. Labour and UKIP are the polar opposites, the Libdems are an irrelevance, the Tories have taken over the middle ground and don't look like giving it up.......
 
Cameron was socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I would argue that May is moving slightly right socially (grammar schools, immigration, etc) and to the left economically. Obviously there is some overlap, and a few exceptions, but that is the general trend.

Edit: I think that this is a great tactic by the Tories. They retain the far right wing by introducing more traditional conservative values, whilst lessening the perceived impact of cuts and "austerity", something that may have put off swing voters. Strategically sound, especially when all opposition is completely hopeless. And aided by the new boundary changes too (reduce cost of parliament, increase equality of individual votes, and gain 15 seats at the same time. GENIUS).
 
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peteblue said:
They are hitting all the right notes for the overwhelming majority of Britons. Labour and UKIP are the polar opposites, the Libdems are an irrelevance, the Tories have taken over the middle ground and don't look like giving it up.......
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That they may be but its pretty clear they've shifted right since 2010
 

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