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Hilary Benn Sacked From The Shadow Cabinet - wider political debate
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magicjuan
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His ego. The self importance (read impotence), he must feel, the littlest of Englanders, recrowned.
The entire make up of British politics (read America, Europe et al..) is lacking only Brian Rix to drop his trousers in the vicar's parlour, tripping over in the process and landing face down in Matron's heavenly, heaving bosom....
Avante los ojos locos swivelos!!
Mrk
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May's speech didn't really appeal to me, but I think it'll be very popular in the country as she's positioned herself to take 'good' ideas from the left and right. Mind you, she could have stood up there and read 3 chapters from Mein Kampf and she'd still beat Corbyn.
May is positioning the tories for a general election next year, after today I'm almost certain of it. She's swung massively right on some issues but moved left on others, when you take it apart she's made a calculated political gamble.
The move away from centre ground liberalism will horrify metropolitan tories (Of Cameron / Osborne ilk) and likely see the Lib Dems stack up votes in the Tory / LD marginals (Recent council by elections suggest this is already happening). The LDs lost 27 seats in 2015 to the tories, they may well take 20 of them back if there was an election next year. This would wipe out the Tory majority, why would she risk this...well......
May has parked the tanks on Labours lawn. Brexit was won in Labour held areas, like it or not her tough stance on immigration today coupled with promises to clamp down on tax evasion / fat cat bosses will be of some appeal in these marginals. The demographics (A mix of both working and middle class) of these marginals factored in with how unpopular Corbyn is has pushed May to make the LD sacrifice and go all out for Labour seats.
Despite what she says I really can't see May limping on for another 4 years without a proper mandate. The financial fallout from Brexit could be bleak, calling an election prior to the expiration of Article 50 (2 years from trigger date) is in my view a no brainer. The current Tory majority is a slender one, based on the polls today she would greatly increase it. As Gordon Brown knows all too well, strike while the irons hot.
The move away from centre ground liberalism will horrify metropolitan tories (Of Cameron / Osborne ilk) and likely see the Lib Dems stack up votes in the Tory / LD marginals (Recent council by elections suggest this is already happening). The LDs lost 27 seats in 2015 to the tories, they may well take 20 of them back if there was an election next year. This would wipe out the Tory majority, why would she risk this...well......
May has parked the tanks on Labours lawn. Brexit was won in Labour held areas, like it or not her tough stance on immigration today coupled with promises to clamp down on tax evasion / fat cat bosses will be of some appeal in these marginals. The demographics (A mix of both working and middle class) of these marginals factored in with how unpopular Corbyn is has pushed May to make the LD sacrifice and go all out for Labour seats.
Despite what she says I really can't see May limping on for another 4 years without a proper mandate. The financial fallout from Brexit could be bleak, calling an election prior to the expiration of Article 50 (2 years from trigger date) is in my view a no brainer. The current Tory majority is a slender one, based on the polls today she would greatly increase it. As Gordon Brown knows all too well, strike while the irons hot.
roydo
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I think she will want the bulk of the Brexit negotiations to be concluded before any election is called.
I hold no candle for her, but she seems pretty fixed on doing/getting the best possible deals done for the UK prior to next March. If the feedback is that they look ok, then maybe call an election then.
tsubaki
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I agree that is probably what her political advisors might think, but that is the sort of theory that could only ever be come up with by people who don't go to the north. You cannot spend the past forty years hanging around with and taking money off tax evaders and fat cats, and then proclaim your imaginary opposition to them without almost everyone recognizing it for the nonsense that it is. Likewise, its hard to see how someone who was actually in control of migration for six years can plausibly claim to do something about it once they leave that office.
But the biggest problem with parking the tanks on the Labour Party lawn is that it is an implicit recognition of the appeal of Corbyn, and a reminder of the alternative he represents. If they were not scared of him, they would not be trying to portray themselves as the party of the workers.
roydo
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Or, they/she recognises that a huge number of Labour voters are not paid up members of the Labour Party, are not taken with Corbyn, and are rich pickings. As in circa 1979.
It really is isn't it?
tsubaki
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That is to misread 1979, though. For a start, Thatcher was able to blame Labour for the state that the country was in. Secondly, she ran on a ticket that was a considerable distance away from the prevailing political orthodoxy of the time.
May will not be able to do the first, and isn't doing the second (in fact the only person who is doing that is Corbyn).
davek
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Dangerous game the Tories are playing in their new "turn". They may think they're parking their tanks on Labour's lawn, but there's only one party that the British people see as authentic in terms of promising to deliver state spending, being worker friendly and an adversary to poor employers and the super rich, and it isn't them.
I have a feeling the Brexiteers in the Tory elite are quietly pissing themselves laughing at this stunt and know it'll infuriate many in that party up and down the country - people who wont need asking twice when the blood bath over the terms of Brexit fuels a civil war which side they're on.
I have a feeling the Brexiteers in the Tory elite are quietly pissing themselves laughing at this stunt and know it'll infuriate many in that party up and down the country - people who wont need asking twice when the blood bath over the terms of Brexit fuels a civil war which side they're on.
peteblue
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Well it certainly isn't the current Labour party. I think May is going to seduce most of the voters by being pragmatic and practical and forgoing political dogma.......dare I say it, by doing exactly what Maggie Thatcher did and appealing to the working man and woman..........
Toffeelover
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With curmudgeonly man servants and cigars rolled on the thigh of a virgin
That gives the tobacco a distinct flavour.
Toffeelover
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On the contrary I think it is akin to saying "suck that one Jeremy"
Its a fair comment that certain parts of the north are untouchable for the tories but there is also a fair chunk thats there for the taking. Places like Wirral West are well within their reach. The midlands to also prime for rich pickings.
The narrative on Corbyn in my view has sadly already been wrote, Labour wont be trusted by the electorate given their divisions. Its very easy to get carried away in a left wing Merseyside bubble but I know from campaigning experience in marginals the mood of the nation is much different to ours. May is trying to portray herself in that manner because Corbyn's Labour have veered to the left leaving a massive space for her to dominate the middle - where elections tend to be won.
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