Hilary Benn Sacked From The Shadow Cabinet - wider political debate

[joey_macmo]

Cameron's govenment were classed as "neo-liberal". There is a clue in the name. He was socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I would argue that May is moving slightly right socially (grammar schools, immigration, etc) and to the left economically. Obviously there is some overlap, and a few exceptions, but that is the general trend.

I'm aware what "neo-liberal" is, I'm also aware that's it's different from being described as very liberal.

The clue is in the name

 

[WycombeToffee]

I'm aware what "neo-liberal" is, I'm also aware that's it's different from being described as very liberal.

The clue is in the name

Ok, I concede defeat on the terminology. Apologies. However, Cameron was socially liberal. I don't see any point in denying it.

 

[peteblue]

That they may be but its pretty clear they've shifted right since 2010

Since they got rid of the Libdems perhaps, but the Libdems were just holding them back anyway. Labour is now undeniably far left, UKIP far right, the Tories have the centre and will be in control for at least the next decade if not longer......

 

[WycombeToffee]

Anyway, to prove my point, this is an excerpt from May's speech today.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Anyway, to prove my point, this is an excerpt from May's speech today.View attachment 29559

That's all just words though isn't it? Government spending as a proportion of GDP has been between 40-50% for about as long as I can remember. If the axis is much bigger state (socialist) vs much smaller state (libertarian) then it's hard to see how we have been anything but centrist for a long time.

 

[hullefc]

May's government has been forced to retreat, with the more nasty elements of 'austerity', after the working class delivered the decisive blow against Cameron with the vote to leave the EU. The Tory austerity project - making the working class pay for the bank bail-out and the subsequent slump - came to a shuddering halt.

This government is all over the place with speech after speech becoming more and more bewildering. No amount of soundbites at the Tory party conference has hide the reality that they are ill-equipped to deal with leaving the EU. They are like rabbits in the headlights.

 

[magicjuan]

Anyway, to prove my point, this is an excerpt from May's speech today.View attachment 29559

Past rhetoric and past actions are not great adverts for a statement of intent by a leader of an incumbent government

 

[hullefc]

As Home Secretary, May was charged with controlling immigration - no more than 100 000 - that was in the Tory manifesto. She failed. May doesn't have a very good track record on 'controlling' immigration and the same will happen if/when the UK leaves the EU.

 

[brieverton]

I must say looking at news excerpts from the Tory conference yesterday, I was alarmed at the ever more inward-looking, little Britain mentality that seemed to come through from every speaker, to applause and grinning from the audience.

Whatever individual views are held on Brexit, things just looked to be in a very confusing and bewildering state at the conference. It was like a tea-party for the Eurosceptic majority, I'm surprised they didn't turn it into last night of the proms. That will probably be later today with May's speech.

 

[Blue 1]

I must say looking at news excerpts from the Tory conference yesterday, I was alarmed at the ever more inward-looking, little Britain mentality that seemed to come through from every speaker, to applause and grinning from the audience.

Whatever individual views are held on Brexit, things just looked to be in a very confusing and bewildering state at the conference. It was like a tea-party for the Eurosceptic majority, I'm surprised they didn't turn it into last night of the proms. That will probably be later today with May's speech.

 

[peteblue]

Obvious fake as there is no two hour Lunch break listed........

 

[magicjuan]

Obvious fake as there is no two hour Lunch break listed........

Or a port clause as optional

 

[Bruce Wayne]

And Farage is back (again) as leader of UKIP. The Tories really must be rubbing their hands together at the farce that is British politics.

 

[The Esk]

Or a port clause as optional

Shouldn't there be a point where the ladies leave the room so that the serious discussions take place?

 

[ToffeeDoug]

..... It was like a tea-party for the Eurosceptic majority, I'm surprised they didn't turn it into last night of the proms. That will probably be later today with May's speech.

@The Esk will be avidly watching then!