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How do we ‘fix’ the relationship between fans and the club?

To repair the relationship, all it takes is points.
If we get enough of them, eventually fans will start complaining about ‘style’ and all that stuff but, right now, we need points.
In the meantime, don’t care about the style of the manager or the attitude of the players or anything else. Just want points.
Everything else flows from that.
Points.
 
When the club gets out of 'survival mode'
When they communicate with the fans more
When they dont employ ex kopites or deadbeat managers
When they give the fans a glimmer of hope
When they flush this owner out
When the club has a strategy and a plan and the correct people to implement it
When they give loyal fans something back

This club should count themselves lucky we still have a sell out home and away every week!
 
SuperKev91 said:
It’s clear from just scrolling down the main page on the forum (and following on from countless media reports and Dyche’s comments) the fans are taking a bit of flak currently.

I had a few thoughts about where all this started and was curious whether anyone else can pinpoint what might be done to try and ‘fix’ it.

For me this goes deep, and way back to when Moshiri first bought us. We’d had a fantastic season under Martinez which had raised expectations after years of being ‘almost there’ under Moyes, followed by 2 underwhelming follow up seasons. The takeover sent expectations into overdrive about what was possible however and this is where some inward reflection from us as fans is probably fair.

The atmosphere at Goodison has notably dropped from the Moyes era, call it fatigue, call it antipathy - whatever you like - it’s not what it used to be for 70% of the season. Yes we’ve pulled them over the line when needed but what about games like last week or how I imagine Saturday is going to go…

With the expectations increasing we’ve seen blasé attitudes to transfers, manager sackings and the finances surrounding the club. Some voices were shouted down early on when voicing disapproval of how the club had been ran and many had the ‘not my money’ attitude to some woeful recruitment.

We’re now left with whatever this is, a group of players we can probably pick 3/4 out who we genuinely do like and a manager who just isn’t suited to galvanise a fan base like ours. How do you heal that disconnect between fans and staff?

We don’t need a happy-clappy, Lampard type. I think we need an absolute maniac on the touchline, someone like Klopp, Simeone, Bielsa (not that calibre but that personality). The fans are that flat, the players are that disassociated, I can only see a big personality like that galvanising a reaction from the whole club.

Be interested to see what anyone else thinks, where we go from here, how did we get here. Is anyone else feeling a degree of blame for the rot setting in? Not pointing fingers but I know I’ve been guilty of all of the above at times (bar booing players coming on/off - actively called that out at the game a few times).
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For all his footballing IQ faults, Lampard was a good point of connection between the club and the fans as people liked him. Dyche does not have a ‘bed side manner’ when it comes to the fans. I agree with you that Dyche is certainly not suited to getting the supporters on side. It’s only a side issue as you get them onside with performances from the team, but he’s not a good relationship manager when it comes to the supporters.
 
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Nosidoog said:
To repair the relationship, all it takes is points.
If we get enough of them, eventually fans will start complaining about ‘style’ and all that stuff but, right now, we need points.
In the meantime, don’t care about the style of the manager or the attitude of the players or anything else. Just want points.
Everything else flows from that.
Points.
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A lot of peoples gripe with Dyche is the style of play, people seem to think we can play expansive, attacking football.

I don’t think this squad has much more in it stylistically than what we’re seeing now, pragmatic football is our only hope with the midfield and attack we have.

I would like to see more positivity and more energy in the press, we had that at times last year.

Make no mistake though - this is a woeful woeful squad.

Can anyone honestly look at Gueye and Iroegbunam and say that’s not a bottom three pairing?
 
It’s also the decision making by the club. Every decision is bloody safe (if not unpopular like FSW) from managers to players. Does my head in. Show you can look outside of someone who is / has played / managed in the league. Be a little adventurous based on good analysis and diligence. It may not work but every single one of our appointments by and large haven’t worked. I think at every level of the club there has just been years and year of remarkable incompetence but thr fish rots down from the head, and it’s all to do with the ownership and board at Everton.
 
spectateur said:
A spurs fan I known asked me "what's happened to your fans".
He said last Saturday our fans were so quiet, only sang a bit at the start.
Last year they sang and shouted all through the match even though we were losing.
Even the hard core seem to be losing faith.
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This season we got absolutely hammered for 90 minutes
Last season we drew 2-2 and lost 2-1 in a highly competitive game after the first 20 mins of dominance from spurs where we looked the better team for 70 mins
Our fans respond to hard work and having a go at trying to score goals, just like every other fanbase in the country
I bet his spurs fans sang a lot more songs as they hammered us compared to when they got a draw with a team much worse than them 🙄
 
Blue peter said:
It’s also the decision making by the club. Every decision is bloody safe (if not unpopular like FSW) from managers to players. Does my head in. Show you can look outside of someone who is / has played / managed in the league. Be a little adventurous based on good analysis and diligence. It may not work but every single one of our appointments by and large haven’t worked. I think at every level of the club there has just been years and year of remarkable incompetence but thr fish rots down from the head, and it’s all to do with the ownership and board at Everton.
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Looking at players like Tripper cos he plays in the Premier league
 

I think when we as a fan base have realistic expectations for our predicament, which the ownership. I just never understood fans abusing their own player's, managers job is to improve them. Yet they have to do that whilst they are being abused for a misplaced pass or just someone’s opinion they are rubbish.

I can see why there is a reluctance to play youngsters. A team lacking confidence and a toxic crowd, hardly the best way to develop them.
 
GambianToffee said:
It’s also the performances, as much as the results.

Brighton could have been 5 or 6 nil and we didn’t lay a glove on them. That can’t happen at Goodison. Against anyone.

Spurs, we started really poorly and could have been 2 down in the first 5 minutes. Then Pickford throws one in. And the game is done long before half time.

Then our detestable manager who’s already had a pop at the fans has the temerity to say his players looked beaten.
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Suppose we have to play Virginia or Begovic next game then
 
Yarrgh said:
The fans have been key to what pulled this club over the line for the last three seasons.

Last year we needed a points deduction to get us up for the fight. What's this season's reason? Last year at Goodison? And then what, first season at Bramley Moore? Very soon one of those reasons ain't going to be good enough.

The fans have had enough. The away fans are generally the most supportive and up for it. If they are getting fed up, God help us.

What will turn things round? A well set up team giving it all and being able to understand how improvements are being implemented. Unfortunately with an owner who is checked out, a non existent board and a manager who fire fights and blames everyone but himself that ain't were we are - and haven't been for many years with all too few exceptions.

And we do have some useless players, but how can they expect to thrive in such a negative set-up? No service to the front players, forwards look gash. Defence set up to absorb relentless pressure- how can you expect them not to concede. The players I would argue have been thrown under a bus by Dyche's anti-tactics.

Frustrating ain't it. And nothing is changing until Moshiri is gone. Hopefully Textor, or whoever comes in, comes in soon and is ruthless and demands creativity and daring to live up to the club motto. Then we might be unified as a club and fan base.
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Last season we didn't see anything near the level of support that we had for the previous two relegation battles.
 
I feel uncomfortable about pontificating to supporters how they should and shouldn't act. All of this is bourne out of frustration from half a decade of circling the drain. Our club embodies the spirit of a city that has been in the crosshairs of the rich and powerful and, even as a wool, I feel a strong dismay at the state of affairs.

Unity is needed until we get new leadership at the board level.
 

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