2018/19 Jordan Pickford

[evertonarntwe]

Sure you can use pinging balls to Walcott/Bernard as a tactic against a pressing Liverpool side but his kicking has been pretty abysmal all season.

that's exactly what he was trying to be fair, won't always come off

he got it spot on once I can remember when Bernard done that filthy touch and should have really got a shot on, as someone else said theres no point passing it to the CB#s whom both aren't really comfortable on the ball ( against a pressing attack as well ) or pumping in centrally because VVD will just win everything

 

[Saint Domingo]

Sure you can use pinging balls to Walcott/Bernard as a tactic against a pressing Liverpool side but his kicking has been pretty abysmal all season.

We don’t play out from the back though. We have a really small team when we have Bernard Walcott or Lookman playing. All he can do is hit it long and if you are going to go long in the prem you are beat going wide which is what most keepers do. I’ve seen Pickford launch numerous counterattacks with great distribution when it’s on but people seem to be hung up on him sending goal kicks out of play. Who cares? The chance of Bernard trapping it on his head and getting us possession is minimal. So what if it’s a throw in rather than a scrap in midfield to win a ball that ends up being played back to the centrebacks anyway? You barely ever see goals scored front he traditional route of a goal kick being flicked on by a striker to another striker who scores. It happens occasionally but most defences are too good now at defending those situations. Even we dealt with the long balls with ease on Sunday. Far more likely is that a misplaced goal kick results in a counterattack opportunity for the opposition. Pickford kicking it wide or out of play on goal kicks literally doesn’t bother me and is a bizarre criticism of him in my view. If he was squandering counterattacks by doing this then that would be different but he’s not, his kicking from hand to lunch counters is excellent.

Pickford is a case study in an unusual phenomenon in the Everton fan base. Liverpool fans are completely blind to any error Allison makes. He lets in a shot in the middle of the goal at red star, he gets mugged doing a cruyff turn at leicester, he let in almost every single shot on target in the CL semi final, but they absolutely will not countenance any opinion other than ‘he is world class’. Everton fans meanwhile were having a pop at their own player whilst he was performing heroics at the World Cup for England! The international football media and pundits were fawning over him recognising him as a better keeper than some of the clowns in goal before him who couldn’t do it on the international level, yet some Everton fans bizarrely chose to side with the kopite segment of the English press in trying to demean everything he did. ‘The ball was going wide’ ‘off his line for the pen save’ ‘should have kept out Januzaj’s’. Why can’t we just back our own player? He made one error against Liverpool at Anfield this season from an absolute freak situation and according to some he kicks too many balls wide. Is that it though? Really? I can’t remember too many other glaring errors. There’s been pen saves also and some other big saves. I just find it absolutely crazy that some of our players can be in rank form for months then have one good game and the I told you so brigade are out, yet Pickford dips below his top level at any point and it’s met with glee by some fans. Even when he was at the top level of international football in the running for keeper of the tournament he was being decried by some blues. Very very odd behaviour.

 

[Simon Buttle]

We don’t play out from the back though. We have a really small team when we have Bernard Walcott or Lookman playing. All he can do is hit it long and if you are going to go long in the prem you are beat going wide which is what most keepers do. I’ve seen Pickford launch numerous counterattacks with great distribution when it’s on but people seem to be hung up on him sending goal kicks out of play. Who cares? The chance of Bernard trapping it on his head and getting us possession is minimal. So what if it’s a throw in rather than a scrap in midfield to win a ball that ends up being played back to the centrebacks anyway? You barely ever see goals scored front he traditional route of a goal kick being flicked on by a striker to another striker who scores. It happens occasionally but most defences are too good now at defending those situations. Even we dealt with the long balls with ease on Sunday. Far more likely is that a misplaced goal kick results in a counterattack opportunity for the opposition. Pickford kicking it wide or out of play on goal kicks literally doesn’t bother me and is a bizarre criticism of him in my view. If he was squandering counterattacks by doing this then that would be different but he’s not, his kicking from hand to lunch counters is excellent.

Pickford is a case study in an unusual phenomenon in the Everton fan base. Liverpool fans are completely blind to any error Allison makes. He lets in a shot in the middle of the goal at red star, he gets mugged doing a cruyff turn at leicester, he let in almost every single shot on target in the CL semi final, but they absolutely will not countenance any opinion other than ‘he is world class’. Everton fans meanwhile were having a pop at their own player whilst he was performing heroics at the World Cup for England! The international football media and pundits were fawning over him recognising him as a better keeper than some of the clowns in goal before him who couldn’t do it on the international level, yet some Everton fans bizarrely chose to side with the kopite segment of the English press in trying to demean everything he did. ‘The ball was going wide’ ‘off his line for the pen save’ ‘should have kept out Januzaj’s’. Why can’t we just back our own player? He made one error against Liverpool at Anfield this season from an absolute freak situation and according to some he kicks too many balls wide. Is that it though? Really? I can’t remember too many other glaring errors. There’s been pen saves also and some other big saves. I just find it absolutely crazy that some of our players can be in rank form for months then have one good game and the I told you so brigade are out, yet Pickford dips below his top level at any point and it’s met with glee by some fans. Even when he was at the top level of international football in the running for keeper of the tournament he was being decried by some blues. Very very odd behaviour.

The problem i see with Pickford is that, we need to build a spine throughout the team, let alone build a squad. If our longer term aims are breaking into the top 6 then we need to start with a really good goalkeeper, that's not Pickford imo, we are never going to break the top 6 with him in goal he just concedes too many, mostly down to poor command of his area and the fact his distribution is so hit and miss. He is still young enough that he may improve but we can't sit around waiting for him to improve, we need another option that is not Stek.

 

[evertonarntwe]

The problem i see with Pickford is that, we need to build a spine throughout the team, let alone build a squad. If our longer term aims are breaking into the top 6 then we need to start with a really good goalkeeper, that's not Pickford imo, we are never going to break the top 6 with him in goal he just concedes too many, mostly down to poor command of his area and the fact his distribution is so hit and miss. He is still young enough that he may improve but we can't sit around waiting for him to improve, we need another option that is not Stek.

The reason we concede so many is because sometimes he kicks it out of play hhahahahahahahaha seen it all now

not because we are truly woeful at defending set pieces? not because our team in general makes a ridiculous amount of individual errors leading to goals?

 

[Lelouch]

We don’t play out from the back though. We have a really small team when we have Bernard Walcott or Lookman playing. All he can do is hit it long and if you are going to go long in the prem you are beat going wide which is what most keepers do. I’ve seen Pickford launch numerous counterattacks with great distribution when it’s on but people seem to be hung up on him sending goal kicks out of play. Who cares? The chance of Bernard trapping it on his head and getting us possession is minimal. So what if it’s a throw in rather than a scrap in midfield to win a ball that ends up being played back to the centrebacks anyway? You barely ever see goals scored front he traditional route of a goal kick being flicked on by a striker to another striker who scores. It happens occasionally but most defences are too good now at defending those situations. Even we dealt with the long balls with ease on Sunday. Far more likely is that a misplaced goal kick results in a counterattack opportunity for the opposition. Pickford kicking it wide or out of play on goal kicks literally doesn’t bother me and is a bizarre criticism of him in my view. If he was squandering counterattacks by doing this then that would be different but he’s not, his kicking from hand to lunch counters is excellent.

Pickford is a case study in an unusual phenomenon in the Everton fan base. Liverpool fans are completely blind to any error Allison makes. He lets in a shot in the middle of the goal at red star, he gets mugged doing a cruyff turn at leicester, he let in almost every single shot on target in the CL semi final, but they absolutely will not countenance any opinion other than ‘he is world class’. Everton fans meanwhile were having a pop at their own player whilst he was performing heroics at the World Cup for England! The international football media and pundits were fawning over him recognising him as a better keeper than some of the clowns in goal before him who couldn’t do it on the international level, yet some Everton fans bizarrely chose to side with the kopite segment of the English press in trying to demean everything he did. ‘The ball was going wide’ ‘off his line for the pen save’ ‘should have kept out Januzaj’s’. Why can’t we just back our own player? He made one error against Liverpool at Anfield this season from an absolute freak situation and according to some he kicks too many balls wide. Is that it though? Really? I can’t remember too many other glaring errors. There’s been pen saves also and some other big saves. I just find it absolutely crazy that some of our players can be in rank form for months then have one good game and the I told you so brigade are out, yet Pickford dips below his top level at any point and it’s met with glee by some fans. Even when he was at the top level of international football in the running for keeper of the tournament he was being decried by some blues. Very very odd behaviour.

I rate Pickford and wouldn't change him, I think it's rare to find such a young decent keeper at that age in the Premiership, I just think his kicking has been pretty abysmal and we end up giving the possession away because sometimes he's trying to be too clever. I think Silva wants us to play out from the back but our CB's can't fathom it yet.

 

[Simon Buttle]

The reason we concede so many is because sometimes he kicks it out of play hhahahahahahahaha seen it all now

not because we are truly woeful at defending set pieces? not because our team in general makes a ridiculous amount of individual errors leading to goals?

Yes it's because we are rubbish at defending and he is part of that defence, also he makes individual errors like the others that's what i am saying. I never said we concede because of his distribution, i just think it's not as good as it could be. At the end of the day, he is our last line of defence yet he makes a lot of mistakes at times (others do, but they are not the last line) like i said, he may improve but i still think we need another option that's all.

 

[evertonarntwe]

Yes it's because we are rubbish at defending and he is part of that defence, also he makes individual errors like the others that's what i am saying. I never said we concede because of his distribution, i just think it's not as good as it could be. At the end of the day, he is our last line of defence yet he makes a lot of mistakes at times (others do, but they are not the last line) like i said, he may improve but i still think we need another option that's all.

Everyone makes mistakes though, you find me a keeper in world football who doesn't?

he's far from a problem in our team

 

[Simon Buttle]

Everyone makes mistakes though, you find me a keeper in world football who doesn't?

he's far from a problem in our team

Sure they all make mistakes, but i don't think we will break the top 6 with Pickford in goal that was my point, but then i don't think we will do it with Silva either tbh

 

[evertonarntwe]

Sure they all make mistakes, but i don't think we will break the top 6 with Pickford in goal that was my point, but then i don't think we will do it with Silva either tbh

we wont break the top 6 with 90% of the squad we have, but pickford is one of the last players we should be looking to improve

for arguments sake, what keeper would you get to replace pickford to break the top 6?

 

[Simon Buttle]

we wont break the top 6 with 90% of the squad we have, but pickford is one of the last players we should be looking to improve

for arguments sake, what keeper would you get to replace pickford to break the top 6?

Im not totally up on goalkeepers at the moment but i like the look of Onana who is at Ajax, Strakosha of Lazio, Lopez of Betis. Im sure there are loads more outthere, i just think he needs someone to push him for his place which will make him want to try a bit harder and cut out the mistakes.

 

[Lanolin]

Everyone makes mistakes though, you find me a keeper in world football who doesn't?

he's far from a problem in our team

He's definitely a problem because he's cost us a number of goals, some through making horrendous errors and some just through quite poor goalkeeping. Whether he's one of the main problems is another argument, but to suggest he's not a problem at all is way off in my opinion.

That being said, kicking aside I thought he was good on Sunday.

 

[evertonarntwe]

He's definitely a problem because he's cost us a number of goals, some through making horrendous errors and some just through quite poor goalkeeping. Whether he's one of the main problems is another argument, but to suggest he's not a problem at all is way off in my opinion.

That being said, kicking aside I thought he was good on Sunday.

wouldn't say he makes horrendous errors though ( apart from the derby )

think with a settled backline he'd look a lot more comfortable ( no coincidence when the defenders look they have a clue what they are doing pickford looks solid as well )

 

[Lanolin]

wouldn't say he makes horrendous errors though ( apart from the derby )

think with a settled backline he'd look a lot more comfortable ( no coincidence when the defenders look they have a clue what they are doing pickford looks solid as well )

The derby and Spurs first goal were both horrendous errors for me. And 2 in 29 games is enough for me to see it as a problem. Again, i'm not saying he's awful, not by any means, but nor has he been blameless for our troubles over the past 2 seasons, so I don't see how anybody can claim he isn't even a slight problem.

 

[evertonarntwe]

The derby and Spurs first goal were both horrendous errors for me. And 2 in 29 games is enough for me to see it as a problem. Again, i'm not saying he's awful, not by any means, but nor has he been blameless for our troubles over the past 2 seasons, so I don't see how anybody can claim he isn't even a slight problem.

the spurs goal? the one where zouma ran into him? don't think that was horrendous think that's lack off communication ( in my opinion zouma should have just vollied it clear, what defenders should ALWAYS do )

and I'm not saying he's not a slight problem, mate we have horrendously underperformed for 2 years everyone needs to be looked at


but the grand scheme of things, there are far worse problems that need addressing before we look into pickford

 

[Lanolin]

the spurs goal? the one where zouma ran into him? don't think that was horrendous think that's lack off communication ( in my opinion zouma should have just vollied it clear, what defenders should ALWAYS do )

and I'm not saying he's not a slight problem, mate we have horrendously underperformed for 2 years everyone needs to be looked at


but the grand scheme of things, there are far worse problems that need addressing before we look into pickford

It's an old argument but the Spurs one is all on Pickford for me. Zouma's got the situation under control, there's no need for him to be out there at all, absolutely none. Call me old fashioned but communication is one of the things I look for in a keeper, and if we concede a goal due to lack of communication between the keeper and centre half, when the keeper has come out of his box for no reason at all, then yes I would call that horrendous.

The rest of your post just agrees with my original point. You said he wasn't a problem, I'm saying he is, just not necessarily the biggest one. If you now agree then that's fine.