2021/22 Jordan Pickford

[Frenk]

Begovic is the better all round keeper. He communicates better with the backline and comes out off his line more. I certainly feel better with him in goal. It’s not much but it counts.

 

[Lowste]

Begovic is the better all round keeper. He communicates better with the backline and comes out off his line more. I certainly feel better with him in goal. It’s not much but it counts.

I think you are right in saying all round

Pickford is looked upon as quality, mainly down to sublime saves and dives that are great for the cameras
Hi failing is simply positional and basics, and that’s why he will always just be OK as a keeper

 

[ZissouBlue]

I've always maintained that with Pickford it's worth persisting with him mainly because a) he's young and will only get better and b) the grass won't necessarily be greener with another keeper. I'm changing my mind now, though. I just don't really see a ton of improvement (he doesn't learn with errant distribution and hasn't gotten any better on corners/crosses). With our financial situation, we are going to have to sell a couple of top players in order to have the proper reset that we need. Pickford can bring back some money that can be reinvested, and we'll be able to get more value for a keeper from Europe.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I've always maintained that with Pickford it's worth persisting with him mainly because a) he's young and will only get better and b) the grass won't necessarily be greener with another keeper. I'm changing my mind now, though. I just don't really see a ton of improvement (he doesn't learn with errant distribution and hasn't gotten any better on corners/crosses). With our financial situation, we are going to have to sell a couple of top players in order to have the proper reset that we need. Pickford can bring back some money that can be reinvested, and we'll be able to get more value for a keeper from Europe.

The problem is at this point who is actually paying the money? Spurs maybe, but Lloris is still far better even as he gets up in age. Arsenal don't really need to buy another keeper and especially another middling one with the England tax included. Everyone else on track for Europe this season is covered. Does anyone not in Europe really need to send a bunch of money at us and would he even want to go?

 

[Bluerover]

Begovic is the better all round keeper. He communicates better with the backline and comes out off his line more. I certainly feel better with him in goal. It’s not much but it counts.

Starting to agree. Pickford has ability but quite volatile. Not sure he gives confidence to the defence with some of his antics.

 

[riddick]

Are people just now realizing Pickford really isn't that great? He's like a tick below a world class shot stopper but he's not a great keeper at all. He doesn't command his area, he yells at everyone no matter what happens, he never takes responsibility for any of the goals he's single handily caused, he doesn't do well at all with shots from distance. I think Robles was a better all around keeper, I think Olsen was a better all around keeper.

 

[APN_EFC]

Interesting to read this Begovic vs Pickford debate. Actually I love having Pickford at Everton. I always hoped he'd play for us like he does for England, I like the way he's improved his attitude, but doesn't quite work out for us that he has outstanding games. To be a top team you need a GK who is either a match winner (makes great saves regularly + no mistakes + great communicator), i.e. several stand out performances in a season - or a steady pair of hands you hardly ever notice, consistent 6-8 out of 10 each match. I don't think he's either, and of course some CBs who are actually good would help, but GK is the one position I think that can work independently without good team mates around?
If anyone was to bid for Pickford, and I really can't think who, it wouldn't be a bad idea to sell as Begovic is only 34 and could stay with us 3-4 years. But then who's gonna pay £30m for him?

 

[NathDogg]

We didn't look as chaotic or exposed defensively with begovic versus the Geordies, than for most of the games where we look like the keystone cops with Pickford in goal.

Every set piece its a lottery if we deal with it correctly - I think begovic might have come for the palace goal as well, Pickford just sits on the line waiting for this to happen.

Pickford is a stopper of good shots and an average keeper, nothing more, and I would feel more relaxed if we played begovic, but I can't see Fronk dropping England's number 1 for the run in.

 

[ZissouBlue]

The problem is at this point who is actually paying the money? Spurs maybe, but Lloris is still far better even as he gets up in age. Arsenal don't really need to buy another keeper and especially another middling one with the England tax included. Everyone else on track for Europe this season is covered. Does anyone not in Europe really need to send a bunch of money at us and would he even want to go?

Yeah very good point. Would probably be dependent on a team losing a keeper. Villa if Martinez gets signed by a CL club abroad? Then again you're potentially looking at the same issue there.

 

[davek]

We didn't look as chaotic or exposed defensively with begovic versus the Geordies, than for most of the games where we look like the keystone cops with Pickford in goal.

Every set piece its a lottery if we deal with it correctly - I think begovic might have come for the palace goal as well, Pickford just sits on the line waiting for this to happen.

Pickford is a stopper of good shots and an average keeper, nothing more, and I would feel more relaxed if we played begovic, but I can't see Fronk dropping England's number 1 for the run in.

Begovic is vastly superior to Pickford overall.

 

[Johnniepk]

Prob been said before but, the lads a good keeper but he just isnt long enough.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Are people just now realizing Pickford really isn't that great? He's like a tick below a world class shot stopper but he's not a great keeper at all. He doesn't command his area, he yells at everyone no matter what happens, he never takes responsibility for any of the goals he's single handily caused, he doesn't do well at all with shots from distance. I think Robles was a better all around keeper, I think Olsen was a better all around keeper.

No he's like several notches below that.

I think there is a misconception that because he makes reaction saves from close in it means he's a good shot stopper but getting beat repeatedly from far out is really bad and pretty much disqualifies you from being labeled as such. You wouldn't label someone a great passer if they could hit 60 yard balls but not consistently find players feet on the simpler ones. Similar concept.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Yeah very good point. Would probably be dependent on a team losing a keeper. Villa if Martinez gets signed by a CL club abroad? Then again you're potentially looking at the same issue there.

As much as I rate Digne selling two of the players from our mess to Villa and Villa thinking it is a good idea would be comical.

 

[ZissouBlue]

As much as I rate Digne selling two of the players from our mess to Villa and Villa thinking it is a good idea would be comical.

Yeah Villa are very overrated at this point but are chomping at the bit to progress and not spending wisely (hence making signings like Digne and Ings). Kind of like us a couple of seasons ago honestly. We'll see if it goes better for them.

 

[Bluerover]

I was a right full back in my day in soccer and GAA football. The last thing we needed was an erratic keeper. Yes, get a blast when a mistake is made but not not non stop.

Begovic, in the little I have seen, is calm and commanding. I want Pickford to be successful but he needs to pack in roaring at his colleagues constantly and his aimless kicking.

I am beginning to think he is part of the problem for our sad defence. No confidence whatsoever.