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keioc and sos working together ?

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Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian said:
duckling.....For I is a wool, they wont want to come over the boundary for fear of it turning into deliverance:lol:
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Sorry, must have been having a thicko moment 'cos when I first read this I didn't connect it with the KEIOC roadshow I mentioned:huh:

Anyway, IMO, that's a poor excuse for not at least asking them (unless by wool you mean you're in Australia/New Zealand?). If they won't come and see you just because you're "over the boundary" or even if you're further afield but still in this country, then we'll know they really are the Everton equivalent of LFC's Reclaim The Kop, Keep Flags Scouse, anti-out of towners brigade. They'll certainly go down in my estimation if they do.

Fact is, you've expressed some desire to see their presentation, I've suggested a way you can get to see it. The ball's in your court. Either follow it up (and let us know if KEIOC act like arseholes), or stop moaning that they aren't making it public.
 
Duckling said:
I thought 53% were obstructed views according to the club?:o

I am in danger of mis-representing Trevor's views if I'm too specific, so take all I say with the proviso that I'm recalling from imperfect memory and as good an architect as Trevor may be, as a public speaker, he does um and ah a bit.

IIRC, the £25m would buy 8k extra seats at the Park End, but would not include any of the corporate/dining facilities which is where the real money is. So yes, they may offset the obstructed views elsewhere, but would not on their own provide the revenue boost we need. Everton would need to come up with at least part of the other £50m to take some of the money from the higher spec parts of the new stand and the non-matchday activities.

Extrapolating a bit...for approx. £25m we could provide decent views for the vast majority of match-going Evertonians (and potentially therefore screw more money from them), but without tapping the corporate market more effectively we'll only be securing our position in the middle group of Premiership clubs, not actually making any gains on the top 6/7/8.

That's my reading of it anyway.
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The classification of obstructed views is a bit of a hot potato. Everton only currently state seats with a post (or 2) obscuring a goal as obstructed.... These are denoted in green on the seat-plans of the ticket lines, and probably number less than 10% of the total. The 53% figure came at the time when the club was pushing DK and presumably takes in all seats with any obstruction (but I don't think even this could be that high tbh). In anycase, simple re-roofing could eliminate all upper tier obstructions (of any kind) except for the rear of the mainstand. That would leave the rear rows of the lower Bullens and street end. Again, as can be seen from the seating plans, the vast majority of obstructed views occur in the rearmost rows, and could be erradicated/reduced by elimination of say the rear 4-7 rows of the lower Bullens and just 2-3 back rows of the St end. I note that most of the street end's back seats are regularly sold out anyway, so perhaps they are not as bad as some think. Bottom line is, the level of current obstructed views is certainly not necessarily permanent nor prohibitively expensive to solve if that approach was adopted.
 
Neiler said:
Nice one mate, so in conclusion the Gwladys St end and Main Stand will be left alone with the Bullens and Park being the only ones being redevleoped albeit the Park End marginaly with much of the main development in the Bullens. An estimated capacity of 50 -57 k which may be possible according to trev for 75mill.
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Close. First, the £75m is just for the Park End, but includes the hotel development. The Bullens rebuild would be a further £80m.

Gwladys Street and the Main Stand could be left alone, but Trevor advocates at least re-roofing with trusses to remove the pillars which currently support the roofs. This would remove most of the obstructed views in these stands and would not be free, but would be cheaper than complete re-builds.

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He mentioned what he called a "Sky gallery" slung beneath the new roof on the Gwladys Street - imagine 3/4 rows of seats behind glass slung just beneath the front of the current Gwladys Street roof...a hell of a view I'd think.
For the Main Stand, he mentioned re-profiling and removing the current Exec boxes so the Family Enclosure and main part are one continuous bank of seats. You could get rid of all the obstructed views in the Main Stand by replacing the exec boxes where there are currently seats behind the pillars supporting the Top Balcony. You'd lose some capacity in the Main Stand like this, but the loss would be more than compensated elsewhere and probably increase revenue from the stand on it's own.
 
Neiler said:
Nice one mate, so in conclusion the Gwladys St end and Main Stand will be left alone with the Bullens and Park being the only ones being redevleoped albeit the Park End marginaly with much of the main development in the Bullens. An estimated capacity of 50 -57 k which may be possible according to trev for 75mill.
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So when do we start?:P


Well, we can but dream.
 
Duckling said:
Close. First, the £75m is just for the Park End, but includes the hotel development. The Bullens rebuild would be a further £80m.

Gwladys Street and the Main Stand could be left alone, but Trevor advocates at least re-roofing with trusses to remove the pillars which currently support the roofs. This would remove most of the obstructed views in these stands and would not be free, but would be cheaper than complete re-builds.

Additionally...
He mentioned what he called a "Sky gallery" slung beneath the new roof on the Gwladys Street - imagine 3/4 rows of seats behind glass slung just beneath the front of the current Gwladys Street roof...a hell of a view I'd think.
For the Main Stand, he mentioned re-profiling and removing the current Exec boxes so the Family Enclosure and main part are one continuous bank of seats. You could get rid of all the obstructed views in the Main Stand by replacing the exec boxes where there are currently seats behind the pillars supporting the Top Balcony. You'd lose some capacity in the Main Stand like this, but the loss would be more than compensated elsewhere and probably increase revenue from the stand on it's own.
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Cheers mate, i admire Trevs ideas i just cant see it due to the finance and value to be honest. The bulk of the work costing 150 mill, before bits here and there - cant see the club ever going for that for 10-15k seats or whatever corporate facilites they can squeeze in. Me thinks its partnership, regeneration and looking for a new site to be honest - but like you say im sure better minds then mine are hard at work at this.

The Duck man deserves some mucho rep for his work in this thread!
 

yawning here lads. truth be told, none of you/us know anything in relation to all this. outside the club its all conjecture.
 
Duckling said:
When asked about cost, he was reluctant to give figures as he said the plans were early drafts/sketches, but based on his experience and expertise, he reckoned the Park End redevelopment would be in the region of £75m of which approx. £25 would be the stand and the rest the hotel and other facilities. The new Bullens would be in the region of £80m. So all the club would have to come up with initially would be £25m. Anything extra on top of that would allow them to take a stake in the hotel development. What stake they took would depend on what they could afford and the deal they struck with the developer.
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:huh:

Hang on. You said earlier we could do the park end for £25 mil.


Sod it, it's all too confusing
 
Goku said:
yawning here lads. truth be told, none of you/us know anything in relation to all this. outside the club its all conjecture.
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True, but we're talking about a Trev S and Keioc presentation to shareholders - its nothing to do with what potentially the club are planning. No ones claiming to be ITK - Duckling and Tom are explaining to us what was said at the presentation as they were at it!
 
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Neiler said:
True, but we're talking about a Trev S and Keioc presentation to shareholders - its nothing to do with what potentially the club are planning. No ones claiming to be ITK - Duckling and Tom are explaining to us what they said at the presentation as they were at it!
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& what they said is all conjecture.

conjecture. A statement or an idea which is unproven, but is thought to be true; a guess; A supposition based upon incomplete evidence

incomplete evidence being the words to take note.
 
Goku said:
& what they said is all conjecture.

conjecture. A statement or an idea which is unproven, but is thought to be true; a guess; A supposition based upon incomplete evidence

incomplete evidence being the words to take note.
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Bang on mate.

But your not dropping any lightening bolts here, i think everyones aware its a plan by a fans group that will more then likely never happen, its the stuff forums where made for! No harm in chewing the fat.
 
Neiler said:
Your not dropping any lightening bolts here mate, i think everyones aware its a plan by a fans group that will more then likely never happen, its the stuff forums where made for!
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He was just pointing it out, and he's right.

Thanks for Ducking and Tom coming on to talk it through though, davek will be made up.
 

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