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Phil Neville - your thoughts now?

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Was a very good right back for us at one time. People tend to forget that. He was okay in CDM at first, but was awful there in the last season or two.

We kept him 12 months too long, but he was still a very good signing for £3.5 million,
 
Walken said:
He was a bit part player for utd, got a game when others were out, was never an important player for them and clings to the class of 92 thing by being garys brother, because he was a top arse licker he stuck around happy to be a part timer collecting medals he barely earned, hes won more than arteta and cahill, hes not a better everton player. But your either clinically insane or on a wind up so crack on
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Bit part player my arse

He made 34 or more appearances for United in 9 out his last 10 seasons there, so you can't re-write history to suit your argument
 
Walken said:
Funny how people claim stats are useless when their argument is ridiculous, i reckon dymak should become a global warming expert for the republican party
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Oh right, they're the whoppers but you are entirely correct. How convenient for you. I dare say that they think you are a whopper, as you consider a little table that bears absolutely no relevance to a player's ability to read the game, track runners, and protect his defence as being unequivocal proof of a player's defensive midfield proficiency.

If you go by your little table, you would be forgiven for thinking Fellaini is a better midfielder than Gareth Barry lol . Which is of course why Barry was considered an overwhelming success at Manchester City, but Fellaini can't get a game for the worst Man United side in living memory.

Have you got any more little tables? Perhaps one which documents how many touches a player has over a season? Because if there was ever an indicator of midfield proficiency, it is clearly the amount of touches of the ball that a player has during the game, or perhaps the amount of ground that a player covers, that's another unequivocal indicator of defensive midfield proficiency.
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You can't be very old.
 
Walken said:
No matter how many stats say the opposite always refer to red cafe before casting an opinion. Passes made, interceptions, airial duels won, tackles won, assits, moves started, all meaningless when judging a cm if red cafe disagrees
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Are you deliberately ignoring the fact that none of those stats are capable of documenting a player's ability to read the game well enough to track runners?

Do you acknowledge that reading the game and tracking runners is pretty important and a rather fundamental part of being a proficient defensive midfielder?

Do you acknowledge that people would be forgiven for thinking Fellaini was a better midfielder than Gareth Barry based on your little table? Which lets face it, is absolute nonsense in the extreme. Barry was lauded in a title winning Manchester City side, whilst Fellaini struggles to get into the poorest Man United side in years.

You aren't going to change your opinion, and neither am I, and I'm happy with that. But please don't try and convince yourself that your little table provides unequivocal proof that supports your opinion, because it just doesn't, whether you like it or not.
 


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