I've not read 100% of this thread, but I have to say I don't fully get it.
It's like the Stanley kubrick movie " eyes wide shut "
Now put your mask on, while I play hide the sausage with you.
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I've not read 100% of this thread, but I have to say I don't fully get it.
We're now RAWKerton mate. Nothing negative about Martinez may be uttered no matter whether you are behind the manager and agree with his placement or not.
The rest of it is just a mishmash of topics like who is allowed an opinion, Moyes being a terrible manager, fans wearing masks and Duncan Ferguson being given a mention for nostalgic reasons.
Personally I think the good people of GOT are broken by the sudden change after 11 years of similarity.. We are a large transfer budget from a full global EFC fan base implosion.
Bit weird that mate as a post.We're now RAWKerton mate. Nothing negative about Martinez may be uttered no matter whether you are behind the manager and agree with his placement or not.
The rest of it is just a mishmash of topics like who is allowed an opinion, Moyes being a terrible manager, fans wearing masks and Duncan Ferguson being given a mention for nostalgic reasons.
Personally I think the good people of GOT are broken by the sudden change after 11 years of similarity.. We are a large transfer budget from a full global EFC fan base implosion.
I dont get that. How is asking people to have an open mind about their new manager in any way RAWKish?
There's no mad eyed cultists talking up Martinez...as much, it appears, as you'd like there to be.
How is denying there are doubts or negatives an open mind? You keep using that like its true but you're far more closed minded about him than I am. Open minded involves the discussion of both good and bad surely? Failing to do so and just ranting at every slightly negative comment is where the RAWK comment comes from.
Martinez has my full support, I just wish we were allowed to talk about him like someone we know a little bit about, and who has shown positives AND negatives in the past, instead of acting like he has done nothing but great things.
I am not casting any shadows of rejection, I am not saying he's a bad manager, not saying don't get behind him, that the bad points don't have reasons, I'm not even failing to point out the good points either, I constantly do.. yet the responses to every post that mentions even a slight negative are both numerous and very head in the sand.
I mention things like he's had a minimal squad so its been difficult but he still got relegated which is not a good thing, then go on to say something like I still think he's the right man, I'm looking forward to it and the relegation is overshadowed by the amazing cup win, and people start ranting about me not giving him a chance, Moyes lover, get behind him ffs, lets wait till we've kicked a ball before condemning him blah blah..
He's going to get plenty of chance and I doubt he reads GOT and if he does, he should know that we want him to do well, and we all want him to make the step up from relegated Wigan to 6th placed Everton, and make us better and more attractive whilst he's here, and if he fails then as long as you do he's done his best then that's good enough for us... but all many on here will have read so far is the word relegation and be seething at my contempt for the man.
I'm excited by the appointment, I think he's bringing optimism and a breath of fresh air to stale club, roll on the games is all I can say.
Tell you what, since I am upsetting people despite being very pro Martinez, by having a couple of doubts about the future.. I will refrain from posting anything negative and join the herd, I've had enough ****ty comments mistaking me for pessimistic to be honest, if no one wants to talk about negatives then lets not.
im not wearing any mask. Everythin ive seen, read, and heard from Martinez just strikes me as a poorer, less ambitious version of Moyes
im not wearing any mask. Everythin ive seen, read, and heard from Martinez just strikes me as a poorer, less ambitious version of Moyes
im not wearing any mask. Everythin ive seen, read, and heard from Martinez just strikes me as a poorer, less ambitious version of Moyes
Let's have it right: Martinez hasn't got a whole lot to 'live up to'. Moyes brought us zero success. he made us solid.
The bar is set no higher than that.
I know I did - and it was, as Moomin says, because the only way was up. It couldn't get worse.
It seems to me you're misinterpreting all this.
People are merely countering your view of having reservations with their own point of view which tries to underline the shaky basis for those reservations - it's not you being told you cant question the appointment, it's just debate. That's all there is to it as far as I can see. The attempts to portray that as a RAWK-style fatwah on anything critical is fanciful to say the least.