hktoffee
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Ok. I can't see us breaking into top 4 at the moment unless one or two teams slip up. 5th-7th, certainly but I guess 5th may not be good enough for you?
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Ok. I can't see us breaking into top 4 at the moment unless one or two teams slip up. 5th-7th, certainly but I guess 5th may not be good enough for you?
I'd like to see some idea of what the manager wants us to do and how he wants us to play, as I don't think it was entirely clear during last season....which is understandable enough. I think, despite Lukakus goals, our attack has been inconsistent and dumb for too long now and I'd like to see that he can improve that. On top of that it would nice to see us grow some cojones in more of the big games and signal some kind of change in mentality at the club.
If I saw a big shift in the above, then to be honest I wouldn't be looking too closely at what exact position or points total we end on and would be much more able to get behind a manager I currently rate as just decent to good and not much more.
Gwladysstreetlad
Player Valuation: £50m
I'd take a similar league campaign this year, providing we also properly compete in the cups (it's time to end this trophy drought!). As I've said before, his third year is the season I will expect nothing less then a serious push to crack the top four and anything less then a near running thing will mean failure.
So no stability then, just chop and change until we crack the top 4.
Faultless logic
I think a different kind of manager might bridge the gap easier than Koeman, who since the beginning I have said will do OK but not much more and will not win us anything. Which wouldn't be a disgrace as for a long time we have been a club that does OK but wins nothing. However I'd prefer get a move on with a different outlook if Koeman has a similar season again, as I personally don't see us getting much more out of him.
I'm general all for stability to be honest. But as you were with our previous boss, once you know you know. Is that not fair enough?
I am pretty certain in my view that this manager won't do anything exceptional with us and would prefer we try another one.
I might be wrong, and I certainly hope I am.
everton2004
Player Valuation: £35m
Who do you reckon would do a better job than Koeman who is both available and willing to come here?
and I couldn't argue with that. would be fair enough
toffeeblue9
Player Valuation: £35m
Thing with that is that it's largely intangible and subjective. I sort of agree about the pattern and style of play - other than pressing more, playing at a higher tempo and making quicker transitions, the "plan" hasn't always been easy to spot, particularly in the opening half of last season. I put a lot of that down to Koeman not having players capable of playing the way he wants, so I sort of tried to look past it.
Thing is though, I don't really care if I can't see the "plan" if we're winning, as I imagine most feel. Similarly, I saw the "plan" when Martinez was here and it simply didn't work in practice, so putting some tangible targets in place as far as positions, points, cups etc etc seems far more sensible to me
I'm not an expert, and the market will have changed by next summer. I've said somewhere else that I would hope that now we have supposedly moved up a level, that our management team including Walsh would have an idea on a plan B should this manager not work out.
I can have a firm opinion on the current boss without being entirely sure who to get in. It does not translate that I would be expecting the club to get rid without a plan.
Our previous boss sent us on a downward spiral without either admitting or acknowledging their was an issue.
Koeman first needed to address that issue, which he did. To bin someone after his second season because he hasn't quite bridged the gap of a competitors who have been spending hundreds of millions, the majority of had a 20 year head start in us. Well that's just ridiculous and destabilises a lot
true. not easy to judge. Although I reckon if he does impose himself more we will have a fair idea during this season just what way a Koeman Everton plays.
The other two points are more tangible. I'm tired of our stupid headless chicken inconsistent attack and tired of bottling big games. Would be great to see a big change in that area.
Nymzee
Player Valuation: £150m
You could at least reply to the valid points he makes in the rest of the post. We've strengthened but so has everyone above us. We could see us stay 7th because 1st-6th upped their game, too.
Edit: You did reply just caught up.
Cmon Chris, do you think football clubs never just make a call and make that change even if the timing is not perfect? Im sure it doesn't always end in disaster as you seem to be hinting. It's like any project if you get a sense it's not going to go where you wanted, better to start it again than prolong the inevitable.
And I haven't said bin him because of that reason. I said I personally don't see him as the manager who will bridge that gap, as shown by his ordinary enough managerial record up to now, and then one more season of just OK is enough for me to confirm the opinion I have already held.
hktoffee
Birds of a feather flock together
It's easy to say that but I don't know who would just come in and would do better than him instantly because I trust track record. His last three PL seasons record were 7th, 6th and 7th which was quite good. To break the ceiling, I deem we must buy even better players but doubt those names would want to sign at this stage. Having said that, the different outlook is another gamble who might just take away the things he has built...unless he t up big time charlie this season like 12th otherwise I prefer to keep things steady and hoping his third season will finally see us taking on the top 4.
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