2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[GrandOldTeam]

I notice you specifically said Premier League assist, given he’s assisted for Everton this season

Aye;

https://www.premierleague.com/players/24983/Vitalii-Mykolenko/stats

I've said on here for years I'd be surprised if he ever gets a Premier League assist.

@micknick waits for the day.

If he does it'll be a layoff or something.

 

[nsno-chris]

There's a reason Mykolenko hasn't recorded a single Premier League assist in nearly 90 odd games.

A few weeks before Dyche rocked up you held the same view I have now.

That ultimately, the players aren't good enough and how our final third can't score enough goals.

Happy reading: https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/relegation-2022-23.115675/post-10247297

We've reshuffled deck chairs on the titanic/We've not spent a bean since.

Cheers mate, for everyone’s information I’ll screen shot my response and happily agree that the current team of : Harrison Lindstrom, McNeil, Ndiaye, Dom, Beto, Chermiti and Broja is far far far better than???

Oh that’s right, Gordon, Maupay and Gray - None of whom play for this club anymore

So back on to this notion of Mykolenko and poor tactics. Let’s compare his last game for us, against a relatively poor team in West Ham and see how much freedom the manager gave him

Has we can see from the below, young Myko was told to virtually play 10 yards either side of the half way line without getting forward on a regular occurrence

Now let’s compare again a far superior team international level, against Belgium before he got injured during the euros. Has we can see he was clearly told to push down the left flank and spend his time occupying their space

Or how about on their latest game against the Czechs. Again, the freedom to get up and down to both touch lines to support the attack

It’s really mad how professional footballers follow the instructions from their managers

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Cheers mate, for everyone’s information I’ll screen shot my response and happily agree that the current team of : Harrison Lindstrom, McNeil, Ndiaye, Dom, Beto, Chermiti and Broja is far far far better than???

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Oh that’s right, Gordon, Maupay and Gray - None of whom play for this club anymore

So back on to this notion of Mykolenko and poor tactics. Let’s compare his last game for us, against a relatively poor team in West Ham and see how much freedom the manager gave him

Has we can see from the below, young Myko was told to virtually play 10 yards either side of the half way line without getting forward on a regular occurrence

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Now let’s compare again a far superior team international level, against Belgium before he got injured during the euros. Has we can see he was clearly told to push down the left flank and spend his time occupying their space

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Or how about on their latest game against the Czechs. Again, the freedom to get up and down to both touch lines to support the attack

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It’s really mad how professional footballers follow the instructions from their managers

Well, more this;

Under Lampard, it was "our players have never scored the goals in their careers"

Under Dyche it's "he's not coaching them right"

The same is true now, as it was under Lampard.

Our final third isn't good enough and never had been. It dictated scrap then, and it does now. As I've said it would.

And it will again, under any manager until we invest.

Because, dear readers...

McNeil. Doucoure. Harrison. Ndiaye. Lindstrom. Beto. Calvert-Lewin.

That, isn't good enough.

Richarlison. Iwobi. Gordon all start ahead of them and we were in a bad way back then.

 

[nsno-chris]

Well, more this;

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Under Lampard, it was "our players have never scored the goals in their careers"

Under Dyche it's "he's not coaching them right"

The same is true now, as it was under Lampard.

Our final third isn't good enough and never had been. It dictated scrap then, and it does now. As I've said it would.

And it will again, under any manager until we invest.

Because, dear readers...

McNeil. Doucoure. Harrison. Ndiaye. Lindstrom. Beto. Calvert-Lewin.

That, isn't good enough.

Richarlison. Iwobi. Gordon all start ahead of them and we were in a bad way back then.

Mate you’re making an absolute show of yourself here

You’re comparing Gray, Maupay and Iwobi who don’t play for us anymore, to the current squad

 

[Bigduke1234]

That's a fair opinion. I can't argue with that.

What I will say though, is that we knew his MO. He likes to play the percentages, and chooses a style and system that he thinks will grind out points over the course of the season.

I understand it's not for everybody, but I personally have no problem with it until there's some serious investment and a proper overhaul of this squad. 2 new full backs, a deep lying midfielder with a good passing range, another winger or 2 and at least one new striker would be a good start.

This is true, and why I hated the appointment. It was said that with better players he wouldn’t simply turn us into Burnley. Maybe those players aren’t here, but he has simply taken his Burnley notes and stuck an Everton symbol over them. Yes he’s done an acceptable job in difficult circumstances, but it’s sucked all of the joy out of the game for me, I have zero pride in this club now.

 

[nsno-chris]

Also absolutely howling that Dyche can’t slightly improve Beto, or find a system for him, because he cost £0 up front

I mean there’s excuses and then there’s that

 

[John from Bootle]

I was genuinely shocked to read that up. 7 wins 11 draws, 14 losses. Since and including Spurs at Christmas. But I knew it was an average slightly over 1 at max.

Given he had 47 points in his first 36 games that's a big regress.

Interesting you use his last 32 games as an example and then cite his first 36 games, y'know, seeing as from his last 36 games it's 43 points.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Mate you’re making an absolute show of yourself here

You’re comparing Gray, Maupay and Iwobi who don’t play for us anymore, to the current squad

I'm comparing your opinion.

Jan 2023 it was all on then players and how they'd never scored or assisted enough elsewhere. We could do that now. Easily.

But now it's all on the manager because it's unfashionable Sean Dyche and not your dreamy Frank Lampard.

 

[when i score we riot]

This is true, and why I hated the appointment. It was said that with better players he wouldn’t simply turn us into Burnley. Maybe those players aren’t here, but he has simply taken his Burnley notes and stuck an Everton symbol over them. Yes he’s done an acceptable job in difficult circumstances, but it’s sucked all of the joy out of the game for me, I have zero pride in this club now.

Bit harsh those last two sentences but i agree otherwise. We sacked Big Sam for finishing 8th with this kind of ethos in the team: All percentage football, no identity, little room for expression or creativity. Dyche really is the same mold.

 

[nsno-chris]

I'm comparing your opinion.

Jan 2023 it was all on then players and how they'd never scored or assisted enough elsewhere. We could do that now. Easily.

But now it's all on the manager because it's unfashionable Sean Dyche and not your dreamy Frank Lampard.

I’m sorry when did Beto, Harrison, Lindstrom, Ndiaye play for us in 2023

Massively confused here

 

[ToffeeTim]

There's a reason Mykolenko hasn't recorded a single Premier League assist in nearly 90 odd games.

A few weeks before Dyche rocked up you held the same view I have now.

That ultimately, the players aren't good enough and how our final third can't score enough goals.

Happy reading: https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/relegation-2022-23.115675/post-10247297

We've reshuffled deck chairs on the titanic/We've not spent a bean since.

I dont think Mykolenko is a great player by any means. I think he's quite average for this level to be honest.

But I fully believe the reason he doesn't get forward is tactical because I see him playing differently at international level. Dyche does not like the full backs to overlap and that makes us very straight forward to defend against.

I think Baines would have looked mediocre in this system. He would never have got in position to show his quality.

Not comparing the players, just my opinion on our style of play

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I dont think Mykolenko is a great player by any means. I think he's quite average for this level to be honest.

But I fully believe the reason he doesn't get forward is tactical because I see him playing differently at international level. Dyche does not like the full backs to overlap and that makes us very straight forward to defend against.

He's definitely instructed to stay back.

But I think it's because of this;

This is where the percentages come in. Could he get forward more? Of course, but is it worth leaving yourself exposed when there's gonna be very little end product? You don't ask a full back to attack all season just because they might get 1 or 2 assists.

Benitez was telling Digne to stay back. Couldn't get on board with that.

But Mykolenko's game come on loads last season and that's because, in my opinion - Dyche simplified his game.

 

[ToffeeTim]

He's definitely instructed to stay back.

But I think it's because of this;



Benitez was telling Digne to stay back. Couldn't get on board with that.

But Mykolenko's game come on loads last season and that's because, in my opinion - Dyche simplified his game.

I think having a very good centre half in the team like JB, especially being a left sided player, means we can play differently. He doesn't need the same level of protection.

I want to see us adapt and show different ways of playing. That's absolutely reasonable in my opinion after 21 months in charge and a very different squad to back in 2022.

It shouldn't be ultra defensive, long ball, park the bus football every weekend.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I’m sorry when did Beto, Harrison, Lindstrom, Ndiaye play for us in 2023

Massively confused here

Well, the point is we could count how many top flight goals/assists are in the team now.

As you did back then weeks before Dyche come in to defend Lampard.

The answer is not enough.

I actually think we had a better attack prior to Dyche being here. Just off top of my head;

Richarlison, Gordon, Iwobi, Gray, McNeil, Danjuma, Maupay, Calvert-Lewin

At least there's some pace, creativity there. Not so sure we have that now.

Harrison, McNeil, Lindstrom, NDiaye, Beto, Calvert-Lewin

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I think having a very good centre half in the team like JB, especially being a left sided player, means we can play differently. He doesn't need the same level of protection.

I want to see us adapt and show different ways of playing. That's absolutely reasonable in my opinion after 21 months in charge and a very different squad to back in 2022.

It shouldn't be ultra defensive, long ball, park the bus football every weekend.

I agree mate. We're generally a tad more attacking when Branthwaite is in - I suspect for that reason.

I think we'd have seen more ways of playing if we were able to invest into the squad. We're threadbare.