2023/24 Sean Dyche

[Neiler]

You make your own luck though to some extent and the fact that our Xg is so high is basically telling him what he needs to do the following week in training with the players, yet you see that training video from the other day and it's nothing short of hilarious. I have seen more complex, more in depth training routines from kids in the local park on a Sunday morning, this is meant to be top level professional sport. The game has moved on and he hasn't moved with it. It will be another fight to the end regardless of who get's fit again. However I do agree that sacking him is probably not the best thing at the moment as we won't entertain a proper replacement that might actually be able to do the role, we would just look at the usual suspects list.

There is no stat to rule them all to be honest and I've looked at a few, i like XG more macro then micro i.e. i don't like it judging individual players, put in judging team outcomes it tends to be more indicative of trends then not

Ours is far too high not to come home with more goals to be honest. You are right in the sense you make your own luck - but did we make our own luck yesterday or did Sa.... The other thing is the law of probability, sometimes its just turned on its head - Fulham and Wolves are an example one side not scoring and the opposite side was Brighton last year with a lower XG, you have to allow for the chaos of probability.

As far Dyche, what can he change - is it tactics no - we've done the possession thing with Lampard, the Counter thing with Benitiez, the block thing with Carlo. I dont think the issue is the method. Do we play with an incisive playmaker - like Maddison - we dont have one.

Honestly dont beleive results are down to the manager, i think we've been terribly unlucky, via not being far of administration and not being able to give him - or other manager who comes in the tools at the right time to do the job. In the midst of that there are 8 players waiting to come who i mentioned in my last post in or bed in to influence in attacking areas - 8 players!!!!

Does a change improve things for us? No. Does patience, yes.

We've changed manager what 4 times in 24 months - have we gotten better or worse. last thing we need is another reboot, if we do it we will go down.

 

[MikeH72]

What is this Garner on the right wing all about? Wouldn’t it make more sense to put Young there and bring Mykolenko in at left back? I’ve got no idea what has made him think Garner can play out there.

 

[kenada_blue]

I am absolutely certain that there are some posters referencing xG in defence of a poor manager who used to deride the statistical approach to judging performances in the past

I hate it as a statistic. But I've always said, stats can back up any arguments.

Just ask Ricky Ryder

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

I hate it as a statistic. But I've always said, stats can back up any arguments.

Just ask Ricky Ryder

They are a useful tool for understanding what is going on beneath the surface and how things can be tweaked or altered.
They are used by coaches and analysts to do their job.
But to use them correctly you do need to understand the various aspects of the system which uses far more than just the xG parameter to arrive at a conclusion.
Anyway the most important metric is the one displayed on the scoreboard at the final whistle, everything else is just conjecture and opinion with a healthy dose of what ifs.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Plenty of PL teams doing ok/well without their strikers scoring very much.

 

[samcdavies94]

The only time he changes the shape in any way at all is to put Michael Keane up top for five minutes.

He's working in not very ideal conditions, but it isn't good enough at this level.

 

[kenada_blue]

Plenty of PL teams doing ok/well without their strikers scoring very much.

Do those teams have better midfield and attackers than we do? I think they do

 

[windymiller]

It's funny how he played the team everyone wanted got turned over and now everyone wants his head. Fans have turned into a joke just like the club. Newsflash we have no money to replace him and not one ounce of creativity in the squad apart from a 36 year old Ashley Young and we are slating the manager for not scoring enough goals. Yes he's a limited manager but no one else is doing better with this current squad.

17 shots on target combined in the Fulham and Wolves game. We never had those sort of numbers of chances with Lampard and Benetiz its just the current forward line and creativity in the midfield is wank and can't finish.

You get that a managers job isn't just picking the starting 11, right?

 

[windymiller]

This is the thing, our XG is too high not get results. The fact we haven't scored is out there in terms of improbability and cant continue. We've been so incredibly unlucky.

Given the above and the fact you have McNeill, Harrison, Beto, Coleman to come in - Chemiti and Danjuma to continue to bed in and DCL and Iwobi to come back in we're going to fine.

Absolutely convinced.

Even when you weigh up where its gone wrong - its nothing to do with the manager.

It's not the manager, it's not the DoF, we've got better players than a year ago, why are we so rubbish then, Neil?

 

[kenada_blue]

They are a useful tool for understanding what is going on beneath the surface and how things can be tweaked or altered.
They are used by coaches and analysts to do their job.
But to use them correctly you do need to understand the various aspects of the system which uses far more than just the xG parameter to arrive at a conclusion.
Anyway the most important metric is the one displayed on the scoreboard at the final whistle, everything else is just conjecture and opinion with a healthy dose of what ifs.

Exactly that.

Hence why "brands" of football come secondary to results. The conclusion is the same despite the path.

 

[kenada_blue]

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And brought Uncle Roy in and they survived.

Everyone's heads would fall off if Woy came here

 

[HalfTimeSayers]

He’s probably the right man (that we can realistically get) to try and get something out the the fit players we have right at this exact moment, and should have 6 points bar individuals fluffing their lines.

But he probably isn’t the manager for the squad we will have available in a month or so, with more attacking players of decent quality than we’ve had for years.

God knows what he will conjure up if he has Dom, Beto, Harrison, McNeil, Danjuma, Dobbin, Chermiti all fit. But fairly sure he won’t be making the best out of them.

 

[TheFinnFan]

He

he did one change inside the 90 minutes

Ment Branthwaite and Dobbin. Although Dobbin showed us that he isnt much of a reinforcement

 

[Nymzee]

"Before I got here"
"In the past"
"The history"

Hear that way too much in every single pre and post game presser.

 

[ToffeeTim]

"Before I got here"
"In the past"
"The history"

Hear that way too much in every single pre and post game presser.

Self-preservation

Because results are what matter, and they speak for themselves.