"sixth, seventh or eighth the best Everton can do"

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

So in conclusion the people who think we should be doing better than 5th-8th (our highest and lowest finishing place in the last 6 years) won't say which clubs they think we should be finishing above.

I've named one.

I think we should have finished above Newcastle last year.

Other than that I don't think a single team has finished higher than us in the league who we had any realistic chance of finishing above.

That is a stunningly good record for a manager. And backs up exactly the point Moyes was making.

Totally agree, it's telling that not one person who was asked were prepared to give a straight answer to that question

 

[Timak]

I think the issue is if you aim for 6th-8th, when you start well and are higher up in the table like we were at the start of the season you are more likely to fall off and not do as well.

It slows down momentum and players think that the defeats don't matter because they're still above their target. Aiming low and succeeding is not success.

It isn't aiming low. It is aiming to finish above every single one of the teams with a budget similar to yours EVERY season. And then to finish above clubs with larger budgets than yours most seasons. And then to challenge the clubs that spend £50m-£100m more than your club every year.

The fact that only one similarly financed club in 6 years has managed to finish above Everton shows what Moyes has achieved is very special.

And the fact people are arguing against the manager for under achieving with a squad he has put together is just insane.

 

[Moomin]

More reliable, and cheaper, I will keep that in mind, ta.

Or you could regurgitate some jizz and use that to glue the stamp on.

It still does not sit right with me though, using jizz on the queens face. Best stick to E-mail.

 

[Mogwai]

Or you could regurgitate some jizz and use that to glue the stamp on.

It still does not sit right with me though, using jizz on the queens face. Best stick to E-mail.

Surely they have facebook in this day and age. Post it on their wall so your whole family can see.

 

[LTblue]

Or you could regurgitate some jizz and use that to glue the stamp on.

It still does not sit right with me though, using jizz on the queens face. Best stick to E-mail.

I've decided on e-mail no matter what now.

 

[Mogwai]

I've decided on e-mail no matter what now.

CC me

 

[LTblue]

CC me

 

[Mogwai]

I think the issue is if you aim for 6th-8th, when you start well and are higher up in the table like we were at the start of the season you are more likely to fall off and not do as well.

It slows down momentum and players think that the defeats don't matter because they're still above their target. Aiming low and succeeding is not success.

It would be interesting to find out what the players and coaching staff realistically aim for each season and what they actually think they can achieve. Also, I would like to know if they differ too much. I have a feeling what they tell the media is a lot of expectation management on the fans part.

 

[Mogwai]

 

[ijjysmith]

I think you missed the point of my post....It doesn't matter what any single person thinks we should be achieving. I was trying to convey the point that people should maybe focus more on qualitative factors when developing those opinions.

If you really care about my opinion so much, based on the games I believe we should have and could have performed better in, we would be clearly in 3rd place this season. Remember, 19 points dropped this season from games we could have seen out. I think it is reasonable to expect us with the quality in our squad to have realistically saved around half of those points, hence, placing us in 3rd.

I like you. You talk sense.

 

[Mogwai]

I like you. You talk sense.

Well ijjy I like you too. You are on my most respected members list ...... that is quite an accolade!

 

[kenada_blue]

It isn't aiming low. It is aiming to finish above every single one of the teams with a budget similar to yours EVERY season. And then to finish above clubs with larger budgets than yours most seasons. And then to challenge the clubs that spend £50m-£100m more than your club every year.

The fact that only one similarly financed club in 6 years has managed to finish above Everton shows what Moyes has achieved is very special.

And the fact people are arguing against the manager for under achieving with a squad he has put together is just insane.

Of course it's special.

But hes made ground work and put the club into great positions that hes eventually not been able to force through. Getting the cheque in the hand and not cashing it in so to speak.

It's sounds more like we all should aim to finish 6th or lower right from the off due to our finances and not expect or want anything more.

The board not being able to back him is apparent. But Moyes does have his own detractors.

 

[Tubey]

Totally agree, it's telling that not one person who was asked were prepared to give a straight answer to that question

Best way to answer that:

Question: How dead is this horse you are beating?

Sums it up perfectly. At the last count, at least five people have answered it.

Here's a thought - if you took 2012 as a calendar year and used that as a league table, Everton would have finished 3rd I believe... So why does that not happen for an "actual" league campaign, given that the only difference between the two would be expectation levels at certain points in the season?

 

[Tubey]

Actually, to make it even more crystal clear:

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896...ed-top-everton-fourth-liverpool-in-the-bottom

If the Premier League was decided purely on results from the calendar year of 2012, Manchester United would be champions, Everton would be in the Champions League and Liverpool would have to settle for a 14th-place finish.

"Totally unrealistic", "deluded", "insane" to suggest that Everton can challenge the top four, yet there you go - over the space of a year, we did.

 

[Khalekan]

Except it's not true is it? We're still comfortably one of the top ten clubs in Britain.

It's only true in the minds of those who think football was invented by Sky in 1992, and in the mind of a Scottish manager who hasn't won anything to speak of.

Love this post.