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The David Moyes debate

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chrismanduk said:
Felli is boss.
We would be a lot further down the league without him.
Some serious knee jerking going on here
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I feel your missing the point some what. I'm not saying 'Lets sell Felli!' Nor am i saying that he is garbage!. The focus is on Moyes. Had we gone through yesterday, i'd have still been having this discussion in a Moyes thread (had there been a prominent one)

As his record signing, and the clubs record signing, the spotlight falls on Felli when you examine Moyes record in the transfer market. At £15.5m do you feel we got our moneys worth? What is his market value now?. These are questions relevant to Moyes, its not an unwarranted attack on Felli!
 
Cookachoo said:
I feel your missing the point some what. I'm not saying 'Lets sell Felli!' Nor am i saying that he is garbage!. The focus is on Moyes. Had we gone through yesterday, i'd have still been having this discussion in a Moyes thread (had there been a prominent one)

As his record signing, and the clubs record signing, the spotlight falls on Felli when you examine Moyes record in the transfer market. At £15.5m do you feel we got our moneys worth? What is his market value now?. These are questions relevant to Moyes, its not an unwarranted attack on Felli!
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Have you ever watched Everton?
 
MoutsGoat said:
I put up a thread for player of the Season.

He was in EVERYBODYS top 3.

And now your saying Moyes was wrong to buy him for 15m?

Sigh.

I give up.
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Fair enough, but does that indicate a top season on his part or a lack of choice after a poor season on our part?

Again, just a question.

MoutsGoat said:
Have you ever watched Everton?
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Behave, mate. Its a discussion about Moyes and justifying his activity in the transfer market, as that is one of the key things that any manager is ultimately judged on.
 
Looking at the market even just over the park Henderson, adam,carroll then yes felli is worth every penny and some.
We can imo **** Moyes for the boring one dimensional football but can't knock his overall transfer policy inc felli
 

MoutsGoat said:
Your honestly asking whether we bought a good player in Fellaini?

Is this what your honestly asking?
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Not at all. I think most would agree he's a good player. I'm asking at £15.5m if the general consensus feel he was worth the money?. And as a club with very little to spend, has it proved the right decision for us?

In your opinion, has our record signing taken us up a notch as a team?.
 
Fellaini is one of the best defensive midfielders in the world, why the hell would you want him to score and create? That's like saying Jelavic doesn't defend enough. Are people actually that stupid?

And on Moyes, 3 wins in 24 derbies speaks volumes. Had enough of his ****house approach.
 
He was 15m wasn't he mate?

I think we'd make profit on him. When he's good (which is getting more of a regular occurrence) he completely dominates opposition's midfield. Not many players like that about now.
 

Cookachoo said:
Not at all. I think most would agree he's a good player. I'm asking at £15.5m if the general consensus feel he was worth the money?. And as a club with very little to spend, has it proved the right decision for us?

In your opinion, has our record signing taken us up a notch as a team?.
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Hence my question.

Have you ever watched Everton play?
 
FFS. Fellaini is our most important player by miles. Any of you who follow Luke O'farrell on twitter will know that.. always gives amazing stats about him.

But why Moyes swaps Cahill and Fellaini around beats the **** out of me, I'm a better CM than Cahill.
 
RyanGordon said:
FFS. Fellaini is our most important player by miles. Any of you who follow Luke O'farrell on twitter will know that.. always gives amazing stats about him.

But why Moyes swaps Cahill and Fellaini around beats the **** out of me, I'm a better CM than Cahill.
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In Moyes defence, fellaini is a far better player in that position these days than Cahill.

Of course a logical thing to do would keep Fellaini in his position then put another player in Cahills but the ginger Einstein can't see that.
 
Just read this article online, spot on imo:

It's high time that Everton boss David Moyes started to come in for more criticism regarding his negative tactics. Another typically over-cautious display saw the Toffees squander a 1-0 lead and ultimately lose the FA Cup semifinal 2-1 to Merseyside rivals Liverpool.

Everton's performance after they scored was one of a team whose only focus was to protect what they had. Even after Luis Suarez pounced on an uncharacteristic error from Sylvain Distin to equalise, Everton appeared content to play for extra time.

It's not the first time Moyes has sent his team out to play this way in a big game and it is a waste of the talent Everton do possess and the style the club was once synonymous with.

The team selection made this author nervous, particularly the choices at striker. Tim Cahill has been a loyal club servant, but the goals have stopped and the combative Australian doesn't offer anything to Everton's possession play. Yet Moyes still insists on having Cahill lead the line in pivotal matches.

Nikica Jelavic posed a threat but ultimately spent too much of the game occupying wide areas. In midfield, there was no sign of Royston Drenthe, a player with the guile and trickery to add some real flair to the attack.

This has been the pattern from Moyes when it counts.

The fiery Scot will pack his team with runners and grafters and play not to lose. His constant protestations about the club's legitimate financial constraints should now be falling on deaf ears.

The likes of Wigan Athletic and Swansea City manage to play attractive, expansive football on limited budgets. It takes a commitment to playing an open style that Moyes has never shown a willingness to make.

In the process, he has wasted some good teams who should have won some silverware and been more regular participants in UEFA competitions. Everton were always noted as a footballing side and Goodison Park was bestowed the moniker, "the school of science."

However, the conservative approach the team has adopted under Moyes has traded in those values and traditions for dour pragmatism. A club of Everton's stature and rich history is duty-bound to strive for more.
 
harryjam said:
I worry for those who don't see it with Fellaini. Do you need help getting dressed in the morning?

If you "just can't see it"...

http://theexecutionersbong.wordpres...i-the-top-flights-most-aggressive-midfielder/

Analysis with a myriad of stats.
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Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics. But i'm more than happy to converse that way.

A myriad of stats that show what exactly? That he gives the ball away and loses the ball more frequently than anyone else in our first team? Or that his discipline is arguably the worst in division since his arrival? His strengths are very much physical and athletic, he wins a lot of aerial duels and he covers a lot of ground during a game. His fitness is clearly spot on and he's a grafter with a physical presence. But in terms of Footballing ability, which is where my issue lies, there are some evident flaws exposed by those stats you've provided, wouldn't you agree?

If that blog was supposed to vindicate you and highlight Felli's strengths as 'one of the best DM's in the world' I think you scored somewhat of an own goal, mate.

Moyes signed a good player in Felli. He's young, he's athletic and he's a solid player who i have no doubt will improve. I'm just questioning whether it was the right move, at £15m when we've not really got £15m to spurn. Has Felli pushed us on as a team? I'm not sure, thats why i raised the issue.
 

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