The Everton Board Thread

[The binman chronicles]

We could be competitive by not throwing good money after bad with a stream of poor signings on high wages which would add up to a lot more than Stake sponsorship. That's what fans lament. Stake as a sponsor is not on the fans and it is ridiculous to suggest it. Plenty of positive sponsors are between charities and gambling companies too btw, your exaggeration doesn't support your point, it diminishes it

I think you are looking at that in a way too simplistic way.

When we ended the Sportspesa deal we were still being bankrolled by the in house sponsorship so we could afford to look away from a gambling company and go with someone like Cazoo who by chance were offering a similarly inflated deal at the time. Since that point our on field performance drastically dropped thus our worth to a company in that 'plenty in-between' range would have also dropped. In a sport where every penny counts and the large contracts you talk about already been given years prior, do we cut off our nose to spite our face by taking a vastly reduced sponsorship deal just to compound our problems and make it that much harder to get out of the downward tailspin?

 

[Toffeepot]

I think you are looking at that in a way too simplistic way.

When we ended the Sportspesa deal we were still being bankrolled by the in house sponsorship so we could afford to look away from a gambling company and go with someone like Cazoo who by chance were offering a similarly inflated deal at the time. Since that point our on field performance drastically dropped thus our worth to a company in that 'plenty in-between' range would have also dropped. In a sport where every penny counts and the large contracts you talk about already been given years prior, do we cut off our nose to spite our face by taking a vastly reduced sponsorship deal just to compound our problems and make it that much harder to get out of the downward tailspin?

No. I am pointing out that choosing stake is not as a result of fans' desire to be competitive, but another example of poor financial management by the club. When we squander so much, so often, do we really want to use that same squandering to justify doing deals with another gambling company? It only adds fuel to the shabite show imo

 

[Toffeepot]

I didn’t say that our sponsorship was on the fans, but whatever. I suggested that we just can’t afford to have pretty much any moral objections. We are the worst run club in the league, this is a fact. We simply have to whore ourselves out to the highest (or probably only) bidder. Once we get to a point at which we are competently run, and competitive, maybe we can start waving companies away that don’t fit our ‘values’

Certainly seemed that way tbh
You referenced fans' desire to be competitive as justification.
You've done it again by saying we should drop any urge to object on moral grounds.
If we can spend millions on maupay's wages on top of 15mil on signing him we can afford a few million less in sponsorship to maintain some self respect.
Makes no difference now, the club decided it, but I don't agree with that view at all

 

[BullensRoad]

No. I am pointing out that choosing stake is not as a result of fans' desire to be competitive, but another example of poor financial management by the club. When we squander so much, so often, do we really want to use that same squandering to justify doing deals with another gambling company? It only adds fuel to the shabite show imo

He's right mate. Since Usmanov's sanctions we are seriously in the red.

We need every penny we can get and as horrendous as it is, a gambling company offered the most.

DBB said we're not entertaining gambling companies hence the move to Cazoo the other year.

She was clearly reliant on the USM, Megafon and Beretta money and it's backfired on her. Hence why she needs to walk away.

 

[Toffeepot]

He's right mate. Since Usmanov's sanctions we are seriously in the red.

We need every penny we can get and as horrendous as it is, a gambling company offered the most.

DBB said we're not entertaining gambling companies hence the move to Cazoo the other year.

She was clearly reliant on the USM, Megafon and Beretta money and it's backfired on her. Hence why she needs to walk away.

It's 10mil per year. If it was even twice the amount of the next best it's not worth it
We spent 17mil already on Maupay when a bag of cement would've done a better job
There are better ways to save and raise money

 

[BullensRoad]

It's 10mil per year. If it was even twice the amount of the next best it's not worth it
We spent 17mil already on Maupay when a bag of cement would've done a better job
There are better ways to save and raise money

We had essentially more money than anyone else in the league apart from city.

I really don't get your Maupay example?

 

[Toffeepot]

We had essentially more money than anyone else in the league apart from city.

I really don't get your Maupay example?

Wasted money, lots of it
Far more than we gain by selling out the many with gambling addictions
A few million extra per year from a gambling company can't be justified

 

[BullensRoad]

Wasted money, lots of it
Far more than we gain by selling out the many with gambling addictions
A few million extra per year from a gambling company can't be justified

Every team has awful players, and I don't think his wages (£1.5mil a year?) is about an eighth from what we get from their sponsorship.

 

[Toffeepot]

Every team has awful players, and I don't think his wages (£1.5mil a year?) is about an eighth from what we get from their sponsorship.

Every team doesn't spend 15mil to buy awful players
We would get other sponsorship, maybe not as much, but it wouldn't be nothing
It's just another example of shocking mismanagement imo

 

[BNJ1878]

I would agree, if they didn't use the ending of the Sportpesa deal to ram home a hollow message about the values of the club.

Exactly.

DBB should have resigned after falling off her high horse and signing off on the stake deal.

We're so desperate for cash she threw the club's views on morality in the bin for a couple of hundred K. (not to mention repuational damage with potential future sponsors after 'doing a danjuma' with a company we'd negotiated with for months.)

 

[BullensRoad]

I would agree, if they didn't use the ending of the Sportpesa deal to ram home a hollow message about the values of the club.

Agree. DBB has lost her position over that.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Every team doesn't spend 15mil to buy awful players
We would get other sponsorship, maybe not as much, but it wouldn't be nothing
It's just another example of shocking mismanagement imo

Maupay was a 10 goals a season player and seen as a safe bet. I don't think many could imagine he would be this bad for us. The problem is as you back peddle and reduce costs (which is what you are saying we should do) the calibre of player diminishes too and I've always stressed the pressures playing for Everton is nothing like playing for the likes of Brighton etc. and can reduce people to lumps of jelly.

Unless you have a load of money to buy the best we run the risk of this situation.

 

[vintage-toffees]

Interim board are enjoying there summer off
I guess

 

[Toffeepot]

Maupay was a 10 goals a season player and seen as a safe bet. I don't think many could imagine he would be this bad for us. The problem is as you back peddle and reduce costs (which is what you are saying we should do) the calibre of player diminishes too and I've always stressed the pressures playing for Everton is nothing like playing for the likes of Brighton etc. and can reduce people to lumps of jelly.

Unless you have a load of money to buy the best we run the risk of this situation.

I acknowledge we are more demanding fans than Brighton(for now) but it doesn't mean we can't find the bargains they do. Our reliance on other clubs to do our scouting, take the chance and prove a player are a 'safe bet'(which clearly wasnt true) is costing us financially and stylistically, and is no excuse for dropping morals when a few extra shillings can be made.
We can save the money by being smart in the transfer market.
So many stupid decisions by this club of late

 

[The binman chronicles]

I acknowledge we are more demanding fans than Brighton(for now) but it doesn't mean we can't find the bargains they do. Our reliance on other clubs to do our scouting, take the chance and prove a player are a 'safe bet'(which clearly wasnt true) is costing us financially and stylistically, and is no excuse for dropping morals when a few extra shillings can be made.
We can save the money by being smart in the transfer market.
So many stupid decisions by this club of late

No one will argue with you that the club have made stupid decisions and been badly run. The problem is though now we are like this there is no magic bullet to pull us out.

The first thing we must try to do is keep a manager for starters the whole season and ideally a few. Using Maupay as an example, he was Lampard's player who may have had a grand plan to build a team more to his strengths but doesn't at all fit into a Dyche side. Vice versa with Doucoure despite being bought even earlier by someone else. Until you build a settled team who know each others game inside out and not having a strop that the manager who signed them has been booted several months later will we stop building this collection of misfits. With that every pound helps and had we 5 or so million less to spend due to our sponsorship deal would probably mean an Iwobi would have to be jettisoned for nothing just to clear that from the wage bill or Pickford/Onana having to leave.

Individually our players are better than they are showing and if they were at other clubs that have a bit more confidence collectively they would probably look okay. Not world beaters but similar to other players that populate sound mid table sides.