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Anustart
No one believes that, surely?
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
I heard we paid 25m for Lukaku, plus we pay his 150k a week wages.
Just what I heard lads.
Just what I heard lads.
kenada_blue
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Where's the loan money, Bill?
Ralphie Boy
Player Valuation: £8m
Ste kelly, I don't think anyone in their right mind would pay 29m for Delboy, not even city.
nigelcoyb
Player Valuation: £25m
The only thing I don't like about loanees is it's easier for them to switch off.
When the going gets tough is the commitment there or are they thinking "be outta here soon, who gives one"?
Truth is when you include Landon we've done quite well out of it so better to embrace it than not.
When the going gets tough is the commitment there or are they thinking "be outta here soon, who gives one"?
Truth is when you include Landon we've done quite well out of it so better to embrace it than not.
mythbuster
Player Valuation: £35m
Let's think about this logically. Roberto had two choices... Loan Lukaku, because I can. Or not loan Lukaku because loans are the worst thing ever.
Pretty sure he'd have acted like an idiot had he taken the second option.
Pretty sure he'd have acted like an idiot had he taken the second option.
Martinez has identified an area of the loan market that is growing in supply but has few qualified buyers.
Clubs such as Chelsea are hoovering up the contracts of promising young players, offering large wages and transfer fees to their parent clubs that bypass the more traditional "working your way up" system. However those clubs then have a problem of what to do with them. Even if they are willing to play the youngsters in the first team -which few managers actually will do, especially in the big games or with defenders when one mistake can easily cost an important goal - they can only fit in one or two.
They can loan them to much smaller clubs for the initial training, especially to get game time, but the final polishing is difficult. Most big teams regularly face opposition that sits back defensively and plays on the break and that requires different skills than playing for a smaller team that is doing the counter attacking or is facing a team of similar level. There is also the step up in pressure of playing in the big games and the fact that younger players often need far more coaching from the manager with careful handling emotionally and physically.
There are four managers in the premier league currently who have shown willingness to trust youth even in the high pressure games - Wenger, Rodgers, Pochettino and Martinez. The first two will be less attractive loanees as they will be direct rivals of the clubs doing the loaning and Southhampton seem to focus on their own academy.
I'd expect both Chelsea and City to be very open to considering loaning us young players next year plus Barcelona and several others of the big European sides. The key will be taking advantage of these offers whilst still rewarding our own young players and complimenting them with purchases of players (probably with a focus on experience)
Clubs such as Chelsea are hoovering up the contracts of promising young players, offering large wages and transfer fees to their parent clubs that bypass the more traditional "working your way up" system. However those clubs then have a problem of what to do with them. Even if they are willing to play the youngsters in the first team -which few managers actually will do, especially in the big games or with defenders when one mistake can easily cost an important goal - they can only fit in one or two.
They can loan them to much smaller clubs for the initial training, especially to get game time, but the final polishing is difficult. Most big teams regularly face opposition that sits back defensively and plays on the break and that requires different skills than playing for a smaller team that is doing the counter attacking or is facing a team of similar level. There is also the step up in pressure of playing in the big games and the fact that younger players often need far more coaching from the manager with careful handling emotionally and physically.
There are four managers in the premier league currently who have shown willingness to trust youth even in the high pressure games - Wenger, Rodgers, Pochettino and Martinez. The first two will be less attractive loanees as they will be direct rivals of the clubs doing the loaning and Southhampton seem to focus on their own academy.
I'd expect both Chelsea and City to be very open to considering loaning us young players next year plus Barcelona and several others of the big European sides. The key will be taking advantage of these offers whilst still rewarding our own young players and complimenting them with purchases of players (probably with a focus on experience)
billycopper
Player Valuation: £40m
Say we need four players and we're offered Lukaku, Deulofeu, Barry and Traore on loan. Do we:
a) just take the loanees.
b) buy a couple and loan a couple. Barry and Traore could be seen as temporary replacements for Gibson and Kone. Who could we buy who would be better than Lukaku and Deulofeu though?
c) just buy players. If we had a £10m trading surplus and we needed to bring in four new players, what sort of quality would we be able to bring in?
d) take all four loanees and buy another couple too. Arguably this is what we did do, especially in the case of McGeady. If we're going to loan players, especially valuable players, they need to play games otherwise we might not get the same opportunity again in the future. How could we accommodate so many loanees as well as permanent signings without disrupting the team?
I think it's a balancing act and we've handled it well. I'd probably like to see Deulofeu play more often and it's been a shame about Traore but I don't feel as if there is a gaping hole in the side that needs addressing with a full-time acquisition.
graeme2911
Player Valuation: £2.5m
No problem with loans for us at the moment, or in the future tbh.
I'm no expert in football finances, and only have the same info as the rest but us paying huge fees and wages for our loans is just not true in my opinion. Absurd in fact.
We barely have £6m to buy our own player, let alone "buy" someone for just one year with no return, so that makes no sense at all. Chelsea don't need the money, but they do need Lukaku to gain experience.
If the loans have the capability to fire us into EL or CL places why wouldn't you want them. Help build success, continued success and we will eventually not have to rely on loans.
I'm no expert in football finances, and only have the same info as the rest but us paying huge fees and wages for our loans is just not true in my opinion. Absurd in fact.
We barely have £6m to buy our own player, let alone "buy" someone for just one year with no return, so that makes no sense at all. Chelsea don't need the money, but they do need Lukaku to gain experience.
If the loans have the capability to fire us into EL or CL places why wouldn't you want them. Help build success, continued success and we will eventually not have to rely on loans.
Ratkiller
Player Valuation: £2.5m
There's a time and a place for your nonsense.
This is not it.
Think before you post in future.
FTY
Player Valuation: £80m
Talking rubbish mate, it was maximum 15 and I think with instalments. Go and talk bollocks elsewhere mate.
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